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1. pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:05:41 JST pwm
   Are there French language translations of all of the keywords in languages like Java?
   Or do they write things like
   > public class OmeletteDuFromage extends Omelette implements PetitDejuener
   • pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:12:35 JST pwm

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     • cjd
     @cjd I mean I figured.
     Computers and the Internet in particular belong to Anglophones and their hegemony.
     The Unicode consortium can suck eggs.
   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:12:36 JST cjd

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     All code is just written in English, so there's just English and Bad English.
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:12:50 JST Machismo

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     • cjd
     @pwm @cjd Should keep moonrunes though.
   • pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:14:52 JST pwm

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     • Machismo
     • cjd
     @Zerglingman @cjd weebs out 🗞️
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:15:03 JST Machismo

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     • cjd
     @pwm @cjd No seriously. Nips have done a lot of good for computers too.
   •  (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:17:19 JST 

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     • cjd
     @cjd @pwm 1c (Russian SAP) uses a scriptic language with function names in Cyrillic.
   • pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:17:33 JST pwm

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     • Machismo
     • cjd
     @Zerglingman @cjd I unfortunately cannot give anyone a pass on my stance of learn English to use the Internet and computers, or else my stance falls apart.
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:22:09 JST Machismo

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     • cjd
     @pwm @cjd My proposal is that we go back to charsets, reserve the first ~32 points for a standard set of control codes (which can probably just be what they are currently), except also include a "switch charset" character or so, and then everyone can do whatever the fuck they want with character length and casing and such.
     And in my EN charset there'll be a single "isupper" combining character instead of an entire capital set.
   • menherahair (menherahair@eientei.org)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:33:29 JST menherahair

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     • cjd
     @mint @pwm @cjd
     if we're talking entire languages, there's a whole wikipedia page of wild shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages
     
     >A Bilingual English/Arabic based language that transpiles to Rust.
     thanks
     >Rust translated into French[10]
     it's the same thing?
     >Ћ плус плус (Serbian, "C plus plus") is a JavaScript like programming language based on Cyrillic script
     ????
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   • Antarctic Chique (pingviini@pleroma.shunderdo.me)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:18:13 JST Antarctic Chique

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     • Machismo
     • cjd
     @pwm @Zerglingman @cjd I think we might be headed for a situation though where you have learn English to use the Internet and computers, but also learn Chinese to enjoy most of the content on the internet and for computers.
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   • Antarctic Chique (pingviini@pleroma.shunderdo.me)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:27:22 JST Antarctic Chique

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     • cjd
     • Antarctic Chique
     @pwm @Zerglingman @cjd FWIW, localizing programming languages and their standard libraries is something people think about all the time, but there's no real incentive to push through the substantial initial effort it would take.
     
     Naively you would think that having Java available in every language on Earth would make everyone in the world a programmer and thus create a very attractive labor market (for employers), but then understanding the original meaning of programming language keywords and easily recognizing every symbol are somewhat of an advantage, but only a small part of being able to write useful programs.
     
     So training somebody to be a programmer is already so much of an effort that throwing out the minimum required understanding of English and latin script just isn't worth it for the people with vested interests.
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:27:41 JST Machismo

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     • Antarctic Chique
     @pingviini @pwm @cjd Plus, we need a higher entry barrier for programming, not lower.
     But "delete javascript" will probably achieve it well enough.
   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 02:08:55 JST cjd

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     • Machismo
     • Antarctic Chique
     Whenever someone wants to talk shit about JS, my reaction is to ask "what is the best thing about JS?" just to see if you know your stuff well enough to defend it AND attack it.
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 02:09:44 JST Machismo

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     @cjd @pwm @pingviini Based on what I hear from other JS devs: recreating html features that they broke by doing things with JS.
     I think it's making a tri-state toggle.
   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 02:11:19 JST cjd

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     • Antarctic Chique
     Try harder, what is the best thing about JS as a language (i.e. without necessarily the browser API or nodejs API existing)
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 02:12:59 JST Machismo

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     • Antarctic Chique
     @cjd @pingviini @pwm No, I'm sticking with that. I have never found anything it does worth doing, other than "things html hasn't got around to yet".
     I won't defend javascript, because it is shit.
   • opal hart (opal@ap.maladaptive.art)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 02:13:09 JST opal hart

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     • Machismo
     • cjd
     • Antarctic Chique
     @cjd @pwm @Zerglingman @pingviini there was an attempt at functional programming, the attempt sucked, next
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   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 02:15:32 JST cjd

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     • Machismo
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • Antarctic Chique
     There's one thing which JS can guarantee and C/C++ cannot and it is a pretty big deal. I'm not talking about memory safety, @p knows what it is.
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   • opal hart (opal@ap.maladaptive.art)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 02:15:36 JST opal hart

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     • Machismo
     • cjd
     • Antarctic Chique
     @cjd @Zerglingman @pingviini @pwm the one PHP3 dev who worked on a web browser fifteen years ago decided === was a real good idea, if you want me to spell it out.
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   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 02:22:23 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • Machismo
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     • Antarctic Chique
     @cjd @Zerglingman @pwm @pingviini A comprehensive and universal malware environment?
     
     
     (I just woke up, I'm slow right now, please bear with me.)
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