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1. LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Oct-2023 23:38:01 JST LS
   i think all cyberpunk stories written after ~1995 are just too cringe
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Oct-2023 23:43:35 JST LS

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     @Moon redditification ("this story will be cool if everybody makes up new slurs"), a general reduction to only the aesthetic with paper-thin societal critique or just "random stuff happens while gay and a computer". Here's a selection of titles:
     
     - “Do Androids Dream of Capitalism and Slavery?”
     - "fallenangel.dll"
     - “Somatosensory Cortex Dog Mess You Up Big Time, You Sick Sack of S**T”
     - “Patterns of a Murmuration, in Billions of Data Points”
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 06-Oct-2023 23:43:36 JST Moon

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     @lain what specifically is wrong with them
   • @polarisera reposted your post (polarisera@spinster.xyz)'s status on Friday, 06-Oct-2023 23:45:38 JST @polarisera reposted your post

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     @lain @Moon I would like a Somatosensory Cortex Dog
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Oct-2023 23:45:38 JST LS

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     • @polarisera reposted your post
     @polarisera @Moon it would mess up up big time
   • pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Friday, 06-Oct-2023 23:49:35 JST pwm

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     @lain @Moon star wars did this all the way back in the 70s, ya know
     It's a long running sci Fi tradition to make up an in universe term that's derogatory, and drop it in context so that the reader infers it to be a dig, nerve herder
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Oct-2023 23:49:35 JST LS

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     @pwm @Moon i mean stuff "he's a fascist shitnugget"
   • 🍤 (cereal@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:39:50 JST 🍤

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     @lain currently reading "Fall or, Dodge in Hell" by Stephenson who's supposedly such a great Cyberpunk author and it's boring ass dogshit, reads like meinkraft fanfic. But the newer Gibsons aren't that great as well or so I've read.
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   • pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:41:06 JST pwm

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     @lain @Moon okay well that sounds like laser-breath to me. Point taken
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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:41:57 JST LS

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     • i like tea and coffee
     @warmbeverageenjoyer @Moon i'm working through the 'big book of cyberpunk' at the moment, i'll post some recommendations once i'm through
   • i like tea and coffee (warmbeverageenjoyer@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:41:58 JST i like tea and coffee

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     @lain @Moon this puts into words what i've felt every time i've tried to dive into the genre, which always has been with media created after 1995. What would you recommend? I saw someone recommend Johnny Mnemonic the other day but I read an excerpt and didn't enjoy it much
   • Aven (aven@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:42:55 JST Aven

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     @lain @Moon
     "[...] will be cool if everybody makes up new slurs"
     There's a lot of this from the politically correct crowd lately. Like inventing new slurs is progress. Then in a decade or two, they'll pretend it wasn't them, like they currently do about slurs they used a decade or two ago.
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   • Aven (aven@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:43:31 JST Aven

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     @lain @Moon
     more related to cyberpunk stories: I think the cyberpunk aesthetic is too good for its own good. As in it's able to be used as a crutch for paper-thin everything-else. As a result it attracts lazy content that would not be able to stand on it's own without cyberpunk tacked on, especially when it becomes trendy. Similar to zombie theme; there's good zombie-theme stuff, but so much bad stuff just leans on zombies to stand.
     
     >redditification
     This word needs to be used more often.
     "[thing] is good, but it'd be better if [current year political issue or short-lived meme] was shoehorned in."
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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:09:04 JST LS

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     @cereal i haven't read anything by stephenson that was actually good as a story, but i enjoyed the world in anathem
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:15:39 JST LS

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     • i like tea and coffee
     @warmbeverageenjoyer @Moon actually here are a few quick recommendations. All the novels I've read really lead to nowhere but have interesting ideas and a cool world, Neuromancer and Snow Crash come to mind. For short stories:
     
     - Blood Music (Greg Bear)
     - Axiomatic and Learning to be Me (Greg Egan)
     - comp.basilisk.faq (David Langford)
     - The Girl Who Was Plugged In (Tiptree)
     
     If you're just in the mood for really good scifi, I can recommend "The Book of the New Sun", which is the rare scifi book that actually reads like literature
   • 🍤 (cereal@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:16:43 JST 🍤

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     @lain well in this one the meatspace is "democrat cities are heaven but in between republitards have destroyed everything" which seems a bit on the nose and cyberspace is just godmode. Everyone is filthy rich so all their problems are just done away with money.
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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:16:50 JST LS

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     @cereal trumpism ruined a decade of scifi at least
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:25:54 JST LS

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     @snacks actually haven't seen it
   • Snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:25:56 JST Snacks

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     @lain is stand alone complex cringe or not really cyberpunk?
   • i like tea and coffee (warmbeverageenjoyer@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:28:55 JST i like tea and coffee

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     @lain @Moon nice, thank you!
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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:34:14 JST LS

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     @snacks i find cyberpunk pretty hard to pin down as a genre, as long as it's not restricted to neon lights and cyberdecks
   • Snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:34:16 JST Snacks

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     @lain didn't expect that. It's actually post cyberpunk, but most settings seem to be somewhere between the two
   • guizzy (in exile) (guizzy@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 02:19:53 JST guizzy (in exile)

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     @lain @cereal I read too much Stephenson, despite not liking most of it. But The Diamond Age was actually interesting.
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