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1. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:18:53 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

   • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️
   @admitsWrongIfProven name one crime against humanity committed by trump. Mean words don't count. (I might say warp speed but I imagine you are a sars vaccine advocate).
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:21:38 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️
     @admitsWrongIfProven I get that his mannerisms and refusal to apologize annoy people. I think in today's world admitting fault in a political arena is like chumming the waters. Avoiding doing that becomes a survival technique, and considering how many faults are not actual faults it's probably best not to engage the mob at all.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:29:47 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️
     @admitsWrongIfProven I wish I could blindly trust our justice system and believe they were pursuing justice and not just trying to punish a political opponent. No one ever questioned his business savvy before he was elected. In fact most fawned over him. Songs were written about wanting to be him, and there was a whole series of reality shows where people worked under him or whatever (a supposedly great opportunity). Funny the way all of a sudden he's Lex Luther.
   • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:29:48 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @thatguyoverthere Ah, you're right. He was a big bag of words, saying a lot, but it seems he did not get around to crimes against humanity in general (above the usual continued push for more fossil energy, not something new).

     My bad, i mixed up two things.

     Yet, the little effort to hide the existing crimes (housing market scams, sexual abuse) combined with a completely unhinged form of expression is still there, and actively reproduced by our politicians.

     I do hold the hope that a criminal conviction might slow our mudslingers down a little, to give me a few more years in quiet desperation instead of direct impact because of an emerging fourth reich.

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   • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:30:16 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @thatguyoverthere Well, the better adapted the politicians that rule us, the worse it will get for us.

     Not protesting your point, i know the mechanism.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:38:37 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️
     @admitsWrongIfProven maybe a little criticism here and there but largely he was a Darling to the establishment, at least in the us. The smearing didn't start until he announced his candidacy.
     
     The funny thing is I thought he was an idiot during those years. I didn't take his first run seriously at all. It felt like the presidential election was a wwe ppv. It wasn't until I saw how absolutely insane the establishment was over his win that I started to think maybe he had something of interest. I don't think he did the best job as president, but he did better IMO than the ones before him, and much better than I would expect Hillary might have done. I wish the power of executive order would go the way of the dodo. I wish he never did warp speed. Otherwise we saw economic improvement over his term and I think if it weren't for the brainwashed masses being whipped up into a frenzy we might even have been able to see social improvement.
   • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:38:38 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @thatguyoverthere I did hear critizism before he was president, maybe our experience differs here.

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   • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:39:13 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     • Moon

     @Moon @thatguyoverthere Yes, even ignoring the us, we have a lot of backlog with criminal behaviour of politicians. Our current chancellor had his hands in the cum ex scandal :-)

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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:39:14 JST Moon

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     • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️
     I wouldn’t be so upset if I thought that this was the moment that we start holding politicians criminally accountable but this is all really just for him and will go back to normal immediately after.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 00:36:34 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️
     @admitsWrongIfProven I guess I struggle to see the "evil" in Trump compared to pretty much any career politician. Brashness is not evil. Political in-correctness is not evil. Not concealing your rude thoughts is not evil. Meanwhile plenty of people I would say do have evil track records and somehow end up with support from people flagging Trump as evil. It's just weird to me. I actually think way too many people think of themselves as "good people" and their particular pet causes as virtuous. I think most of us are actually mostly evil with very few exceptions so if we're using that definition sure Trump is evil, but the point of continually revisiting the point is to suggest he's more evil than others and I just don't see it. I think it's brainwashing.
     
     The only reason I bring up Biden or other politicians is because evil is a relative term and you need something to compare it against. Trump hasn't even been a politician most of his life (at least not in a state capacity).
   • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 00:36:35 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @thatguyoverthere I thought about this thread for a bit, and i had a realization:

     What you did, shift the topic from trump to biden/all politicians, i do too on different topics.

     A good example is the russian offensive war: it is wrong, but i never get tired to point out that other countries do the same without repercussions. All should be stopped, not the other side made an example while continuing to do evil, pushing the narrative of "west = good guys" through diversion.

     What i found different here is the brazenness of trump, which adds another quality for me, while the russian offensive war is just the same as all the others: some transparent lies, then the murders start.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 00:59:24 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️
     @admitsWrongIfProven Your "new quality" requires that I acknowledge that the things Trump has been accused of in the political circus are in fact legitimate grievances. I just don't buy it. I have grievances, but the things I think Trump did wrong are things the establishment thinks he did right (bump stock ban [via executive order] and warp speed are a few examples). The only reason I even started commenting in this thread was the abundant use of the word evil which I say again, sounds like brain worms to me.
   • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 00:59:25 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @thatguyoverthere The new quality is normalizing things that are usually acknowledged as bad.

     I did not say evil, i purposefully chose "new quality". My gripe is that i think this new quality will speed our decline, if adapted.

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