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I don't think the price of equipment helped either. Why would you need to be efficient when you can just throw more and faster cores, memory, and storage into the mix without incurring a huge overhead and while staying competitive in the consumer markets? If an 8 core, 3.6ghz i11 with 8gb DDR4 and 2TB Sata III SDD cost $1 Million, programmers would rethink their approach to bloated software.
I find it both sad and humorous that I used to run Microsoft office on a 66mhz dx2. 30 years later, and though the speed, resolution, and print quality has improved, the ultimate end of the product remains the same. Words on paper. It really brings into question what all the extra bloat gets the average user.
On a semi-related note, have you seen this project?
https://www.menuetos.net/
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@Humpleupagus @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @sysrq
> Why would you need to be efficient when you can just throw more and faster cores, memory, and storage into the mix without incurring a huge overhead and while staying competitive in the consumer markets?
Yeah, there's almost no downward pressure on bloat.
> I find it both sad and humorous that I used to run Microsoft office on a 66mhz dx2. 30 years later, and though the speed, resolution, and print quality has improved, the ultimate end of the product remains the same.
It's actually gotten worse: speed is up, but latency is way up. (Try booting a FreeDOS ISO with a PS/2 keyboard plugged in if you don't believe me.)
But I know what you mean. I've spent a lot of time computing with these little ARM boards, and until you try to run a browser on them, you can't actually tell: all the usual computing tasks happen and they all work fine. On a single-core one, sometimes you notice some jittering when something hefty is starting up, but other than that, a lot of the software I use was fast enough to use in the 90s (or the 80s, even). Sitting down at a regular computer full of bloatware is painful.
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@p @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @sysrq latency is basically a lost cause, you need $$$$ gamer equipment to even get anywhere /near/ old norms with current bloatware (and that's assuming the software end is actually written with latency in mind, if it isn't, forget about it)
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@Humpleupagus @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @sysrq Oh, I got depressed and forgot to do this part:
> https://www.menuetos.net/
Yes, I have seen it. It's cool stuff, I'm surprised it's still going. I haven't tried using it.
This part kinda sucks: http://www.menuetos.net/m64l.txt
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@p @Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @sysrq re: menuet, kolibri is strictly better and that's all I have to say on that
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I actually run my home office on a rock 5b, and at my office, I use a odroid n2+ with a displaylink adapter (so I have two monitors — one to read from and one to write on when I'm researching, etc.). I just fuse mount the local file server, which in each case are themselves ran on arm. I used to use pi 4s. For office work, arm is fine. I can browse westlaw, use Libre office, and run mpd over pulse. That's about all I need to live.
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damn brother.
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@allison @Humpleupagus @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @sysrq The solution is simple: I'll just go buy an old serial terminal with regular-ass keyboard interrupts and when I want to use a responsive machine, I'll plug that into my computer. The computer's fast enough.
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@Humpleupagus @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @sysrq
> rock 5b,
Very cool shit! I have one, graf sent it as a Christmas present. They're kind of astonishing little boards.
> For office work, arm is fine. I can browse westlaw, use Libre office, and run mpd over pulse. That's about all I need to live.
It's good shit. The stuff I do, even the old 250MHz single-core ones work all right, just most hardware like that is from the bad old days of "none of this works unless you use the manufacturer's kernel patches" so at some point the libc is too old to support the current version of ssh and the new libc won't run on the old kernel and nothing compiles anymore, so you can figure it out or you can spend another $40 and get a board that runs with $current_year stuff and a mainline kernel.
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