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1. George Takei :verified: 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽 (georgetakei@universeodon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 01:34:01 JST George Takei :verified: 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽

   Donald Trump is in court again today, facing a civil trial that could cost him his business empire. Trump, his sons, and his company stand accused of falsely inflating property value prices in order to obtain favorable loans.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 01:34:00 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @georgetakei that sounds like mental disorder
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     @georgetakei Him loosing everything would make me happy.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 01:37:16 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @georgetakei "I can't prove he tried to take over the world, but let's take all his stuff"
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     @thatguyoverthere

     I guess its a mental disorder to want evil cruel people to have the level of success they truely deserve.

     @georgetakei

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     @freemo @georgetakei the only reason he's even in court is j6. It's all political. Pretending it's otherwise is pseudointellectual
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     @thatguyoverthere

     Ahh right lets make up phrases that in no way resemble anything said and then put quotes around it so I can argue with it and make it look like im arguing with the person I quoted when in reality im just arguing with ghosts my imagination made up....

     Carry on.

     @georgetakei

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 01:43:37 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @georgetakei ok dude, you can keep pretending
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 01:43:38 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     Once you start making up arguments people didnt make and arguing with yourself you dont get to make claims to objectivity.

     @georgetakei

   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 02:37:41 JST cjd

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     > is j6
     
     The reason he's in court is because The Oligarchy doesn't like him. It's been that way since 2016.
     
     Whether you side with him or with them is kind of a personal decision, and who is really in the right or in the wrong is probably something we mere mortals will never know.
     
     But lets not be silly and pretend like all these different court cases are being brought by completely different and unrelated people for entirely different reasons.
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   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 02:38:02 JST cjd

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     > an evil, racist man who lies through his teeth and does illegal things at every turn
     
     Did you deduce that from first principles, or did you fall asleep with the TV on and wake up knowing it ?
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   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 02:38:03 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @cjd

     I mean sure, the oligarchy doesnt like him and im sure thats making it much worse on him...

     But the fact that he is an evil, racist man who lies through his teeth and does illegal things at every turn might have a tiny bit to do with it too.

     @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 02:41:04 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @freemo @cjd @georgetakei Where on the doll did Trump touch you?
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 02:41:05 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @cjd

     I have no access to TV or cable... so first principles is the only answer

     @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 02:45:27 JST cjd

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     I think that to see him as a *particularly* bad guy requires a lot of ignorance to what The Oligarchy does.
     
     They and their little "free trade agreements" turned vast swaths of America into an unlivable hell-scape the likes of which are not seen anywhere else in the world. Then you have 9/11, patriot act, and Bush's forever wars and dumping of heroin on the people, in addition to destroying America's credibility in the world by wanton embrace of torture.
     
     I don't know how you measure "evil" but if it's by the amount of human suffering created, 1000 Trumps couldn't even hold a candle to what the Clinton or Bush families have been capable of.
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   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 04:42:37 JST cjd

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     Flash election: Donald Trump vs. George W. Bush.
     Who are you voting for ?
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 04:42:38 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @cjd

     I didnt say your side points were important.. they may be very important tangents... but they dont change a damn thing about how much Donald is a piece of shit... It just means he is a piece of shit who pissed people off and people are out for blood. It also just means everyone else is also a piece of shit... again not changing the fact that so is Donald.

     @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 04:42:39 JST cjd

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     It is very important, because he and they are in political power competition. If you believe in ethical good/evil, then one of those sides must be less evil than the other and the ethical thing to do is to back that side.
     
     Now maybe your position is that they're all so deeply compromised that you don't really have an opinion about who is worse - and that's a position I can respect.
     
     But when you SPECIFICALLY single out Trump, I can't help but think that you are in fact pro-Clinton/Bush oligarchy so I'm going to make you explain how you square your ethics with their crimes against humanity.
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     @cjd

     No matter how bad the oliharchy is doesnt change how bad Trump is. Then you go on to talk about Bush and clinton... thats alot of words for "other things suck"... ok.. how does other things sucking have **any relevance to how much Trump sucks?

     @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 04:43:02 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @cjd @georgetakei He said Bush not Biden :smirk:
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     @cjd

     Thats like asking me who I vote for, a piece of cabbage in a comma, or a wet orange colored turd... Who cares, at that point id be doing a write in if those were my only choices.

     @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 04:45:34 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @cjd @georgetakei Sounds like a Bush endorsement :troll:
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 04:45:35 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     Yes I know what he said... Calling biden equivalent to a head of cabbage in a coma would be an insult to cabbages everywhere.

     @cjd @georgetakei

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 04:59:45 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @cjd @georgetakei I think if you vote for Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, or any of their picks the flesh in the seat doesn't really matter much.
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 04:59:46 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     Bush isnt quite as bad as Trump or Biden if thats what your asking... But it would be like asking to vote between Hitler and Stallin... like even if i can reason my way that one is a little less bad than the other, neither is someone I would ever vote for.

     @cjd @georgetakei

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 05:04:49 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @cjd @georgetakei > I won't choose evil people
     
     what does "evil" mean to you? What is one thing Trump has done that makes him "evil"?
     
     I have no problems with a write in myself. I am planning to either abstain or vote for AfroMan in 2024. I just think using adjectives like evil to describe him is caused by brainworms.
   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 05:04:50 JST cjd

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     So by writing in somebody who is obviously not going to win, you essentially choose to abstain. A LOT of people do this which is why voter turnout is so low.
     
     If you're not willing to make an analysis of which is the lesser of two evils, then in general you will end up with the greater evil.
     
     In the words of Joseph de Maistre, "In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." and a lot of what has befallen America over the past 50 years is indeed well deserved.
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 05:04:50 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @cjd

     > So by writing in somebody who is obviously not going to win, you essentially choose to abstain. A LOT of people do this which is why voter turnout is so low.

     No not necessarily. If enough people are upset by the choices and enough people write it in, it does become a valid vote (write ins are counted in many countries).

     In any sensible country if you had two choices as evil as the ones we have right now everyone woul writein and we would have change... sadly we wont.

     But your asking me "Do you choose guy one who will be evil to people or guy two".. yes every time my answer will be "I wont choose evil people, but I will be happy to fight int he civil war. Which is exactly what I'd say if my choice was Stalin or Hitler... if its Bush or Trump .. sadly i doubt there would be a civil war for that, but there should be.

     @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 05:06:05 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @cjd @freemo @georgetakei > Mickey
     
     Bigot you should be writing Minnie in the 21st century
   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 05:06:06 JST cjd

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     This is the kind of mental gymnastics which people do when they write in Mickey Mouse and then walk away smiling and fancying themselves as "at least not part of the problem".
     
     The Government You Deserve.
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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @cjd @freemo @georgetakei I like AfroMan. I'm not big on his whole platform, but I imagine he'll be no more effective at attaining his goals than any other president with "good intentions". He doesn't have a party afaik, but outside of "reparations" his platform seems mostly libertarian.
     
     RFK might be a good pick too.
   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 05:12:59 JST cjd

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     Personally I would support pretty much *anyone* who is not of the Clinton/Bush/Obama power structure, be they Trump, DeSantis, RFK, Ramaswamy, or anyone else like them.
     
     Whoever they are, there's very little chance that they'll be able to be MORE harmful than a Party Man because as outsiders they don't have the connections/power.
     
     Which one should be supported is simply a practical matter of whose most likely to win.
     
     P.S. Don't get me wrong, I don't LIKE any of them.
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     @freemo @cjd @georgetakei > explicityly trying to deny people access to his businesses for the color of their skin
     
     :doubt:
     
     > mocking disabled people
     
     you talking about the meme where he mocked Hillary or something making a funny face?
     
     > lying
     
     Everybody lies or has lied.
     
     I think a lot of what he's said has been sensationalized (and often taken out of context) in media reports. Everyone clutching their pearls because he said "You can grab them by the pussy" are suffering a mental disorder (possible brain worms). It was important that Clinton didn't inhale and of course Obama did because "that's the point" (isn't he cool). The fact that you fall for the framing is kind of.... shocking
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     @thatguyoverthere

     Trump has done a very many things that are evil... lying, explicitly trying to deny people access to his businesses for the color of their skin, mocking disabled people... The fact that you dont think he has ever been evil publicly (let alone non publicly) is shocking to say the least.

     @cjd @georgetakei

   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 05:20:55 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     I'd vote for AfroMan over every single candidate currently availible to me.

     @cjd @georgetakei

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     @freemo @cjd @georgetakei He's running https://www.afromanforpresident.com/
   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 06:31:25 JST cjd

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     You are devaluing the meaning of the word Evil.
     
     Mocking somebody on stage might be rude, it might be in bad taste, it might be offensive, but it's not evil.
     
     When you begin instinctively reaching for the most extreme word you can find to describe everything you don't like, your words cease to mean anything at all.
     
     This is endemic of the period we are living in, modern language is collapsing down into Nazis, and Literally Hitler, and Worst Thing Ever. As art becomes paint splatters, food becomes slop and academia becomes GPT-generated drivel.
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     @cjd

     Yes I know what you were saying...

     > And yet your conception of EVIL is a guy standing on a podium making fun of a crippled journalist.

     So other things existing int he world is evil makes mocking a crippled person not evil?

     Sorry but with logic like that you dont get to say what is childish.

     @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 06:31:27 JST cjd

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     No, I'm calling YOU childish because we live in a world of:
     
     * Wars engineered on false pretenses
     * Genocide & holocaust
     * Engineered famine / holodomor
     * Human & child trafficking & slavery
     
     And yet your conception of EVIL is a guy standing on a podium making fun of a crippled journalist.
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     @cjd

     If you think making fun of a crippled person in a public setting when acting as president is "childish" to see as a form of evil then we are done talking.. I dont want to interact with anyone who thinks that is a morally good, rather than evil, expression.

     @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 06:31:29 JST cjd

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     This seems like a very childish perspective of evil, like how a person would describe evil if they'd never learned about war, famine, genocide, etc.
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     @freemo @cjd @georgetakei "raped"
     
     Have you seen biden around kids :eyes:
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     @cjd

     I mean sure... he raped a few people, mocked a disabled person for being disabled, specifically denied work to people for being black... but you know, he didnt murder **everyone** he met, and some people do, so calling him evil would be devaluing the word evil....

     ::hard eye roll::

     @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

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     @cjd

     > You are devaluing the meaning of the word Evil.

     Why do people who always argue for Trump struggle so much with the idea that concepts exist on a scale, not simply are or arent.

     Sayng there are greater evils that can exist is a piss poor (and childish) argument to try to make the case that something isnt evil.

     @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

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     @freemo @cjd @georgetakei two separate lines dude slow down.
     
     I don't think trump has raped anyone. The era of me too has really lowered the bar for necessary evidence.
     
     I do think based on my own eyes (and some alleged diary text from his daughter) that biden is a pervy dude (pedo Pete to his son apparently).
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     Right, cause how biden is around kids has anything at all to do with if Trump raped a woman or not... Even if Biden literally had an orgy with little kids it still would not have one iota of relevance to if Trump is an evil person or not.... get this Biden is evil too, doesnt change a damn thing about Trump.

     @cjd @georgetakei

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     @cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei eyo. Free trade is good.

     Unironically, I stand for it.

     Patriot act bad, and I stand against it.

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     @deavmi @cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei free trade is good but 'free trade agreements' are a different beast. if i want to trade with you, i don't need a 3000 page document that says 'yeah ok you can do it'.
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     @lain @cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei No totally agreed. I meant more as to say I believe free trade is as much a right as free speech and the right to bare arms.

     But yes these documents are not really the freest of Things I guess. It’s like open trade between countries onntheit list, not free trade.

     Open is a subset of fee but it is not free.

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     @freemo @cjd @georgetakei I just think you hold him to a higher standard and all the "other people being evil doesn't mean he's not" stuff is just cope because he actually doesn't have a long list of evil deeds, but nearly everyone in congress does.
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     > I don't think trump has raped anyone. The era of me too has really lowered the bar for necessary evidence.

     The reason i didnt list rape in my original examples isnt because it is less evil, but because the evidence is less direct and undeniable.. I mean he did rape that woman most likely, but i didnt want to waste time debating evidence.

     The point is, you hardly need to recognize his rape to know he is evil.

     @cjd @georgetakei

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     @cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei It's the classic case of people being more upset about Trump's mean tweets than about Obama destroying Libya and bringing back slavery there.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 19:00:56 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @admitsWrongIfProven @cjd @freemo @georgetakei I'm not even sure what joke you are trying to make. Maybe I'm not caffeinated enough
   • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 19:00:57 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @cjd @freemo @georgetakei Your own eyes...? Trump has not...?
     Dude, you're a pervert following him around! Stop raping Trump!

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 19:11:02 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @cjd @georgetakei dude I wasn't even trying to defend trump. I asked why he's "evil" and you brought a bunch of nonsense. At the end you threw in rape allegations that didn't stick anywhere else. I don't care if you vote for him, but calling him evil just sounds like brain worms. He's started no wars. He hasn't had anyone killed. He was accused of rape decades after it supposedly happened. Accused of racism according to you more than half a century late. His worst crime according to you was making fun of someone who likely belittled him in some way. Considering how many people mock his appearance I don't see a problem with him returning fire, even if it might be a little mean.
     
     I said before it seems more appropriate to just say you think he's dumb. I think when you use words like evil to describe trump you sound like a main stream media spokes hole.
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 19:11:03 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     I always find it funny when people defend trump and the message has the word "Biden" in it more than "Trump" lolol

     @thatguyoverthere @cjd @georgetakei

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 19:19:27 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo let's not be retarded now.
     
     I have seen many photos and videos of creepy uncle Joe (or as his son apparently calls him pedo Pete) sniffing little girls and being generally inappropriate around women in very public settings. Then you have Ashley Biden's diary where she talks about showers and other creepy shit.
     
     The only reason I even bring it up is because it's more believable evidence of his perverse behavior than anything used to make trump out to be a sexual predator.
     
     Really you can ignore all the sex stuff, and indication of bidens evil can be found in his Senate career. He is still proud to this day to have had a hand in the PATRIOT Act. That alone says he's a worse pick than Trump.
   • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 19:19:28 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @freemo Hmm, thinking around it, what he said sounded a lot more like following biden and his daughter around, ignoring trump.

     Disinformation Purveyor: Who exactly do you view with your own eyes, and what is your exact fetish? Old grey dudes, old orange dudes, or do you look for the daughters?

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 19:26:37 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @admitsWrongIfProven @cjd @freemo @georgetakei it's not a defense of trump beyond simply not falling for the tropes. I don't think he is perfect, but I don't think he qualifies as evil any more than you or me. I don't have anything but geography in common with anyone in public office. I just think all the "trump is evil" talk is brain worms. Many much worse people hold office in DC. The establishment wants you to think of trump as evil. It's easier to believe he tried to take over the country if you think he's evil. It's easy to imagine some violent sequel to j6 if he's evil. Thank goodness that the good and righteous intelligence community had their agents out there making trouble so the real move couldn't be executed. It's nonsense all of it.
   • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 19:26:38 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @cjd @freemo @georgetakei Higher standard? How many people have you raped? If the number is lower than one (without going to jail), maybe you should not try to play in this kind of game. Sexual rape, murder by starvation, one of those for sure.. i agree on the "nearly everyone in congress", but why defend that orange thing you have nothing in common with? Or do you?

   • white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 19:33:12 JST white_male

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     @thatguyoverthere @freemo @cjd @admitsWrongIfProven @georgetakei Trump derangement syndrome.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 19:33:38 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @white_male @cjd @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @georgetakei hopefully they add it to the DSM.
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     @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei "here's why people I don't like should go to prison"
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     @freemo @georgetakei Interesting. I’m a bit surprised that you fell for the “mocking a crippled person” claim. The others I’m not familiar with except for the lying, which I agree with you on, though likely not to the same degree as you.

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   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 23:41:28 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     Evil people who are cruel and abusive to other deserve to loose everything.

     Trump is a man who has used his power to mock a crippled person, deny black people homes specifically and explicitly for being black, lied and stolen and cheated. When bad people loose it reminds me there is fairness in the world and that makes me happy.

     @georgetakei

   • realcaseyrollins (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 23:41:29 JST realcaseyrollins

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     @freemo @georgetakei Why?

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 23:42:57 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei "dislike him as a president and a business man"
     
     yesterday he was "evil" and deserved all of his stuff to be taken from him.
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     Willing to hear the counter argument for that.

     When i saw the video he seemed to make motions that mocked the man and his specific disability (his motions were similar to that of the disabled man)... and it isnt motions he makes when he mocks or talks about other people...

     Whats the counter argument?

     Bear in mind even if we find excuses for 20% of what he does that still leaves the other 80% so I dont needt o rely on any one thing being true as long as most or some is true its enough for me to dislike him as a president and a business man.

     @georgetakei

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 00:15:26 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei you are just way too quick for me slomo
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 00:15:27 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     Correct. I dislike him because he is evil... please try and keep up

     @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 20:52:28 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @admitsWrongIfProven @cjd @freemo @georgetakei here's the thing. Ibjust don't believe the hype. There are 2 realities (more really but for simplicity sake). In one version everything the media reports about trump is true and not political. In the other the media is part of the establishment and hates anything that threatens established power (in spite of attempts to appear revolutionary). Much of what they say is politically motivated and steeped in misinformation.
     
     You can be mad that he says things out loud, but let's not pretend it isn't the same things many people think quietly to themselves or say to their friends when the camera isn't running. Personally I'd rather know the people in power are being honest about their beliefs (not saying trump is always honest just that complaining he is brash seems like you prefer the friendly lie over the painful truth). As far as crime goes I don't think he has been convicted of any crimes and I'm fairly any crimes he's been accused of in the media are hot air. Meanwhile our current president has conflicts of interest regarding Ukraine and China. He used his position to extort control over another country and bragged about it to the media. Everyone cheered. He has been lying to the public since the 80s when he claimed to have been much higher educated than he is. He is proud of his involvement in the PATRIOT ACT. The media is very careful to avoid the many land mines that biden had around him, but let's all talk about how trump allegedly said the n word in the 60s or 70s.
   • NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 20:52:29 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @cjd @freemo @georgetakei Sorry for the long wait, here's my take:
     While most politicians on a country level seem to be corrupt without fail in most countries, at least most try to hide it, indicating some sense of wrongdoing.
     Trump specifically seemed very open, in sexist comments and quite open with his scams.

     While criminal politicians are a danger, i find open lawlessness without punishment even more dangerous - it establishes that they can do whatever they want.

     I notice similar here in germany, where they increasingly just shrug and go on when caught.

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