@p@freespeechextremist.com @MK2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com @Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com @sysrq@lab.nyanide.com And that's Unix and Plan 9, you have a shell, the shell is a very simple programming language, you can write loops.this is where it all went downhill
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Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 19:13:36 JST Iska - Machismo likes this.
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 06:48:16 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: @iska @Zerglingman @sysrq @MK2boogaloo Way uphill from JCL.
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Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 06:48:58 JST Iska @p@freespeechextremist.com @Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com @sysrq@lab.nyanide.com @MK2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com JCL:darkness: we don't talk about corpowarepipesthe difference between (sort (grep x)) and grep x | sort is that the latter involves 2 program initializations and lots of copying
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 13:26:41 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: @iska @Zerglingman @sysrq @MK2boogaloo Oh, another language argument. Against my better judgment, I'll bite again.
> :darkness: we don't talk about corpoware
That was what came before. It was all corpoware back then, anyway.
> the difference between (sort (grep x)) and grep x | sort is that the latter involves 2 program initializations and lots of copying
Lisp's entire existence has been "Look, maybe it's not fast, but it's got better capabilities." Here is a performance-based argument against Unix. The ironing. The argument was bad to begin with, for the same reason that "Recursion is slower than a for loop" is bad: it's not accurate and it misses the point. A process is very cheap in Unix anyway, or it least it was until emacs was ported.
But I can see that sentence because we are on a network of independently operating machines instead of all connected by terminal to a giant mainframe in Alaska that serves all the world's computing needs, because CSP won, and CSP won because it was inevitable. It's way less efficient to move data across a network than to have everyone living in the one massive supercomputer, but that doesn't matter, because you cannot build the one massive supercomputer.
CSP is not just a convenient notation, CSP decouples code and isolates processes. The internals don't have to conform, just the interface. If you've crammed everything into the same process space, everything has to conform. sort|grep doesn't require that sort and grep even be written in the same programming language, one of them just needs to be able to understand the other.
This is my primary frustration with most flavors of Lisp. There are languages designed around incorporation instead of integration, Common Lisp is one such language, and Unix is all the way at the other end of the spectrum: Unix is built around independent processes communicating rather than everything you want to do getting crammed into one process. If you want a monolith, sure, have a monolith. Because it has to incorporated everything instead of having a common interface to integrate with other programs, it has to share a namespace, it won't be called (sort (grep x)), it will be called (sort-strings-by-lexicographic-order 't (select-from-strings-by-regular-expression x) 'case-insensitive-search), and if it crashes, everything crashes.
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Leyonhjelm (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2023 13:26:45 JST Leyonhjelm I think we can all agree that every language is better than Esperanto
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:44:08 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: @leyonhjelm @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @iska @sysrq People should speak brainfuck. Machismo repeated this. -
New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:44:15 JST New Janny in Town @p @leyonhjelm @iska @Zerglingman @sysrq how is this thread still alive? Machismo repeated this. -
Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:44:30 JST Machismo @MK2boogaloo @p @iska @leyonhjelm @sysrq Because you're a skill issue. -
Leyonhjelm (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:47:04 JST Leyonhjelm By not being in faggot ass Esperanto
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New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 09:41:24 JST New Janny in Town @leyonhjelm @iska @Zerglingman @p @sysrq ??????? Machismo likes this. -
New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 09:43:47 JST New Janny in Town @Zerglingman @leyonhjelm @iska @p @sysrq thoughts? Machismo likes this.Machismo repeated this. -
Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 09:44:12 JST Machismo @MK2boogaloo @iska @leyonhjelm @p @sysrq Normal niggerscript behaviour. Why show me this? -
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 09:44:38 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @iska @leyonhjelm @sysrq
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laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 09:44:50 JST laurel @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @iska @leyonhjelm @p @sysrq
and prayers.
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:ancapsnek:rlequín 🃏🐍:awooancap: (astheroth@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 10:07:44 JST :ancapsnek:rlequín 🃏🐍:awooancap: @p @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @iska @leyonhjelm @sysrq commiefornia Machismo likes this. -
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 10:49:15 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: @leyonhjelm @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @iska @sysrq If we spoke Esperanto, the thread would die. -
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 11:07:13 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @iska @leyonhjelm @sysrq
> is... 55MiB
Those stupid "mibblebyte" stuffixes make me wanna stab a motherfucker in the eyes, but 55,688,048 is not even 55*(1024^2):
> 55688048/(1024.0**2)
> => 53.10826110839844
So he goes out of his way to fluoridate his shit by writing "MiB" so as to distinguish units of 1024 from units of 1000 and then he USES UNITS OF 1000 ANYWAY.
:reeEEE::reeEEE::reeEEE::reeEEE::reeEEE::reeEEE::reeEEE::reeEEE::reeEEE: I'M GONNA CRAM TWO MEGS WORTH OF MOBLINBYTES UP HIS ASS AND SET THEM ON FIRE :AngryBork::AngryBork::AngryBork::AngryBork::AngryBork::AngryBork::AngryBork::AngryBork::AngryBork::AngryBork::AngryBork::AngryBork::AngryBork::AngryBork:Machismo repeated this. -
тняэдт[₅₄₇₇₇] (threat@annihilation.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 11:07:19 JST тняэдт[₅₄₇₇₇] @p @leyonhjelm @iska @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @sysrq thats like a brit trying to be more brit at a tribute to brits live on brit television. overkill specificity. Machismo repeated this. -
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 12:27:28 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: @threat @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @iska @leyonhjelm @sysrq Megagglebytes. -
tsoifan1997 (sysrq@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 12:28:24 JST tsoifan1997 @p @leyonhjelm @iska @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo
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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 12:28:34 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: @sysrq @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @iska @leyonhjelm :helllife: Machismo likes this. -
tsoifan1997 (sysrq@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 12:28:36 JST tsoifan1997 @p @leyonhjelm @iska @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo
3 AM IN L.A. KINDA VIBE :drinkin::drinkin::drinkin::drinkin::alexjonesdemons::hell::hellduck::helllife::hellmood::hellthread::wecangotohell::hankhell:Machismo likes this. -
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 13:05:16 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: @sysrq @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @iska @leyonhjelm Flawless victory. Machismo likes this.