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New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 13:05:51 JST 
New Janny in Town
@p @Zerglingman @sysrq so basically because the industry and environment forced programmers to write Javascript instead of writing something new that no one has ever thought of. If this is true what about back then when people also do stuff for fun and not because of money? I'm sure before the 2000 people who made stuff like Plan9 did it for fun. - Machismo repeated this.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 13:06:04 JST 
Machismo
@MK2boogaloo @sysrq @p >the industry and environment
The invisible hand of the free market. -
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 15:28:42 JST 
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
@MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @sysrq
> so basically because the industry and environment forced programmers to write Javascript instead of writing something new that no one has ever thought of.
A lot of problems remain unsolved, there's no shortage of research to be done, but a lot of the stuff that would be impactful requires ten years, fifteen years, longer than a PhD takes and that's more money than most companies are willing to put into research.
> If this is true what about back then when people also do stuff for fun and not because of money?
Back then, you could found Apple Computer in your garage. Seymour Cray designed what were, during his lifetime, the world's fastest supercomputers, and he raised money by selling stock on the street in Cambridge for a dollar a share, that'd get the SEC on your ass. VC firms want a quick exit, you're not going to get to do chipfab. If you produce the next shit from the ground up, people will complain that it doesn't have a web browser, so you're fucked if you're trying for consumers as a source.
> I'm sure before the 2000 people who made stuff like Plan9 did it for fun.
It's very different to have small groups of people that want to do something in their spare time than it is to have a company or a university fund more than a decade of research.Machismo repeated this. -
Lichelord Godfrey (lichelordgodfrey@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 22:46:10 JST 
Lichelord Godfrey
@Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @p @sysrq I know you’re joking but you may as well call it the very visible hand of the “who controls the most capital?” market (which is how it’s always been).
in this instance, Microsoft, Alphabet/Google, Apple, Amazon, etc.
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mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 04:33:07 JST 
mia
@MK2boogaloo @p @Zerglingman @sysrq
Why are you fucking retarded?Machismo likes this. -
ELITESPRENGLARF2O23 (sprenglarf@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 04:34:49 JST 
ELITESPRENGLARF2O23
@mia @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @p @sysrq Euro/Aussie? Machismo likes this. -
mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 04:39:05 JST
mia
@SPRENGLARF @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @p @sysrq
Not even, South East Asian, so he has no excuse to be this dumb.Machismo likes this. -
ELITESPRENGLARF2O23 (sprenglarf@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 04:42:20 JST
ELITESPRENGLARF2O23
@mia @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @p @sysrq "Asians" aren't all they're cracked up to be. There's Chinese and then there's the rest. The white folk at my job hired a bunch of Filipinos thinking they got Asians. Let's just say I do most of my own work these days. Machismo likes this. -
Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 04:42:36 JST
Machismo
@SPRENGLARF @sysrq @p @MK2boogaloo @mia >Chinese
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mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 04:43:26 JST
mia
@SPRENGLARF @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @p @sysrq
Bruh, the quintessential Chinese flaw is baseless arrogance. Thai dudes are awesome.Machismo likes this. -
ELITESPRENGLARF2O23 (sprenglarf@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 04:45:55 JST
ELITESPRENGLARF2O23
@mia @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @p @sysrq My amazing "assistant" dropped a black Amex for my drinks shortly before he fucked off forever. He didn't need me. I'm but a speck on his resume. Who cares if it worked or not, we had parts for 25 years. (Robocop) Machismo likes this. -
istván (istvan@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 13:18:32 JST 
istván
@p @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @sysrq > If you produce the next shit from the ground up, people will complain that it doesn't have a web browser, so you're fucked if you're trying for consumers as a source.
This is the story of Loongson. When the 2F dropped, the government goons bankrolling Lemote via Chinese Academy of Sciences whined because it didn't have QQ and Tencent wouldn't port it.
Gotta have QQ, otherwise you can't do the important political work of paying camwhores in QQ coins.
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tsoifan1997 (sysrq@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 13:18:42 JST 
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@istvan @p @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo
Give me a minute, I'm gonna port QQ to plan9.Machismo repeated this. -
istván (istvan@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 13:20:41 JST
istván
@p @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @sysrq So Zhang Fuxin was bullied into bolting on the entire X86 instruction set on a formerly MIPS3 compatible RISC chip that had its own SIMD additions. Then they forked QEMU to pass all the X86 opcodes directly through virtualization.
The result was the Loongson 3 series: dog shit CPUs that failed at being X86 and failed at the concept of RISC by having more instructions than every big instruction chip.
Retardation abounds in IT.
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istván (istvan@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 13:24:25 JST
istván
@sysrq @p @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo Good luck. Tencent has always been pretty evil. They ban the accounts of people who connect to the server through alternative clients.
There used to be a few implementations of QQ that worked for exchanging messages, but the actual money functions and dumb shit like QQ Show were all Windows only.
Even the Linux compatibility client Tencent produced one time after a sizable government grant wouldn't do it.
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New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 15:15:30 JST
New Janny in Town
@mia @Zerglingman @p @sysrq cope. Machismo likes this.Machismo repeated this. -
mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 15:22:36 JST
mia
@MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @p @sysrq
Fuck you you sad dumb rice nigger. This is why your parents don’t love you. Useless stupid bitch. -
New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 15:32:43 JST
New Janny in Town
@mia @Zerglingman @p @sysrq I wonder why you're so mad at me. Machismo likes this.Machismo repeated this. -
mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 16:37:31 JST
mia
@MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @p @sysrq
It's that annoying "So what you're saying" bullshit that you did, where you then instantly missed the core point, and concluded with an easily disprovable opinion. Just zero effort, like everything you do.Machismo repeated this. -
mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 16:37:46 JST
mia
@MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @p @sysrq
"So, what you're saying is that OS's are made by hobbyists, and it's Javascript's fault we don't have more OS Devs working with C."
No, Bell Labs isn't a hobbyist shop. No, it has nothing to do with Javascript. No, "something new that no one has ever thought of" wasn't the task at hand. How the fuck are you sure of some bullshit you literally just made up?
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New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 16:38:04 JST
New Janny in Town
@mia @Zerglingman @p @sysrq I only said what's necessary tho? Machismo repeated this. -
mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Oct-2023 16:38:05 JST
mia
@MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @p @sysrq
You aren't necessary. -
laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 10:08:20 JST 
laurel
@p @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @sysrq
I think that in a part it's an effort by big firms to industrialize certain aspects of software development.
Take for instance Oracle using java to sell their services. They also needed a mass of easily trained, relatively cheap programmers that would support this business model. And this in turn put constraints on the language, and tied it to its tooling, because the tool assisted java dev was part of the Oracle business model.
It was so successful that G0 0g le was able to use this very same cheap pool of programming labor for its mobile application ecosystem.
Same thing nowadays with javascript and R*st.
You have all those firms selling "Cloud" solutions and there has to be a pretty big number of relatively cheap devs, completely dependent on proprietary libraries and infrastructure, implementing said solutions for end clients.
The modern javascript WebDev is a crucial part of the modern online monetization scheme.
Their dream scenario is the equivalent of going from needing mechanical engineers to employing machine tool operators working in a mass production line.Machismo repeated this. -
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 12:27:07 JST
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@laurel @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @sysrq
> And this in turn put constraints on the language, and tied it to its tooling, because the tool assisted java dev was part of the Oracle business model.
Accurate, yeah. Google already has a vast army of mediocre coders.
> The modern javascript WebDev is a crucial part of the modern online monetization scheme.
Yeah, you build a very pretty potemkin village so that the VC gets an exit event when they are able to sell smoke and mirrors to Microsoft or Google to try to shove into people's faces until it flops (...Hey, remember Google Wave?) or Google can figure out how to make it evil (...Hey, remember Youtube?) or maybe sell to Facebook so that Facebook can shut it down.
> Their dream scenario is the equivalent of going from needing mechanical engineers to employing machine tool operators working in a mass production line.
Yeah, so they're very excited about "AI writing the code" and I can't wait for the other shoe to drop on that.Machismo repeated this. -
laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 19:52:42 JST
laurel
@p @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @sysrq
>so they're very excited about "AI writing the code"
I think they know it never will, it has just proven such a successful grift that they are simply milking it as much as they can.
Here's Knuth falling for it: https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/chatGPT20.txt
For some reason it's very difficult for users to grasp that it is just a stack overflow programmer. If the program you are asking it to generate has an authoritative example somewhere that is relatively easy to be filled in with the correct variables, then it will be able to do it no matter how complex the program is.
Google has been doing this thing for decades now, it's just that the copying and pasting part was done by a human, and that was so Google was able to continue milking their advertising business model.Machismo repeated this. -
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 20:05:11 JST
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@laurel @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @sysrq
> it has just proven such a successful grift
Yeah, VCs pumping their AI plays for that sweet, sweet exit event.
> Here's Knuth falling for it:
Someone lived long enough to become the villain.
> For some reason it's very difficult for users to grasp that it is just a stack overflow programmer.
Even programmers, apparently. A friend that is not a programmer asked it to generate some SVGs for her and it failed to even generate valid XML after several attempts. (She wanted to see an attempt at representing the Mandelbrot set as an SVG, which can't really be done unless the SVG is just a bunch of squares representing pixels. On the other hand, people that don't understand code are going to mostly ask it questions that are not possible to answer.) -
tsoifan1997 (sysrq@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 20:20:17 JST
tsoifan1997
@p @Zerglingman @laurel @MK2boogaloo
>it failed to even generate valid XML after several attempts
Further proof that XML is an incomprehensible formatMachismo likes this. -
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 20:33:39 JST
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@sysrq @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @laurel If only I had a nickel for every time a machine failed to generate valid XML at me! Machismo likes this. -
smug@smuganimeavatar.xyz's status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:42:53 JST 
smug
>I think they know it never will, it has just proven such a successful grift that they are simply milking it as much as they can.
my theory is that they dumped chatGPT this early because they were running out of money so they rushed it out
>Google has been doing this thing for decades now, it's just that the copying and pasting part was done by a human, and that was so Google was able to continue milking their advertising business model.
and now google has ruined their own product by shoving AI into it, amazingMachismo repeated this. -
laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 06:54:55 JST
laurel
@smug @Zerglingman @p @MK2boogaloo @sysrq
>and now google has ruined their own product by shoving AI into it, amazing
They had gimped their search results so much through censorship already that no one was even able to tell the difference haha. -
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 06:56:22 JST
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
@smug @laurel @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @sysrq
> and now google has ruined their own product
When was it not ruined? After their search engine and their ad platform, every Google product that took off was an acquisition. Google Maps, GMail, Buzz, Wave, Docs, Youtube, all of it. Then they bought DoubleClick. It's just an intellectual property holding company that makes products worse. -
:blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: (allison@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 06:56:35 JST 
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@p @Zerglingman @laurel @MK2boogaloo @sysrq @smug dejanews was the ultimate sign of things to come Machismo likes this. -
pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 08:17:50 JST
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@allison @MK2boogaloo @Zerglingman @laurel @smug @sysrq Shit, and Deja News! All the money, it's terrible. Machismo and † top dog :pedomustdie: like this.
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