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1. cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:11:30 JST cool_boy_mew

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   @animeirl The problem is that it wasn't
   
   "15 mins cities" :blobsmiley:
   
   It was
   
   "15 mins cities" :feelsbadman:
   
   It's the UK, so basically any prototype they put up was the most retarded shit you'd have ever seen. They basically have put barrier around residential area that just made it hard to exit and made it hard for emergencies services to come in. People were starting to cut the barriers. This is a WEF bullshit too and there were mass surveillance that was starting to pop up, which people cut too
   
   It's the government, so whatever they decide on will be 120% retarded and won't help anyone whatsoever and isn't what the population wants
   
   CC: @thatbrickster
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:26:57 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @animeirl @thatbrickster I'll add that when all government in the world starts to basically parrot the same thing I start to sweat a lot
     
     Currently the neoshitlib government here are starting to mass pass terrible shitty laws and they have pretty much outright said they won't take any recommendations, amendments and everything. Of course, it passed, and it's shit. Now it's sent to the CRTC (Canada FCC) and there's another round of supposed "taking feedback" that they're powering through VERY FUCKING QUICKLY and fucking hell man... This is also happening worldwide as far as I'm aware
     
     I currently wouldn't even trust the government with fucking anything. The vast "conspiracies" around 15 mins cities are not totally unfounded considering the shitty lockdowns, talks of "climate lockdowns" and etc
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   • Bricky :padoru: (thatbrickster@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:27:30 JST Bricky :padoru:

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     @coolboymew I should note this is individual councils trialing LTNs/15-min cities, not a government thing (yet). Sunak pushed back the Net Zero commitment set by Theresa May before she left office, but I believe it's a facade to save face.
     
     So far, the Lib Dems are the least retarded mainstream party right now IMO. The Conservatives are behind them on the tax burden issue.
     
     @animeirl
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:32:31 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @thatbrickster @animeirl the net zero thing makes me sweat as it looks like government around the world are acting on extremely not settled science, trying to eliminate cattles and the likes, trying to push electric cars without any good advancements in battery technology along with a grid that won't support it and of course, 0 talks about nuclear energy and the likes and as far as I'm aware the gov are "meeting their targets" often by pushing the pollution unto another country and it's completely retarded
     
     It's not that we shouldn't reduce emissions as much as possible, but it's just that acting rash with no actual good solutions is going to fuck us all in an entirely different way
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:37:55 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @thatbrickster @animeirl at least, I hope things improves in the UK. Things are going very south here in Canada
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:39:26 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @animeirl @thatbrickster I tagged brickster because I'm sure he's seen the same reports I did
     
     But yeah, it isn't the gov but municipal but, man, what a failure
   • anemone (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:39:27 JST anemone

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     I've only seen these claims from conspiratards but the UK is insane so im sure it's possible
   • anemone (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:40:22 JST anemone

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     Hey, at least the Canadian government will help you kill yourself when you get too fucked over
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   • ooignignoktoo (ooignignoktoo@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:42:56 JST ooignignoktoo

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     @coolboymew @thatbrickster @animeirl It's more messed up when the average person in the western world already has some of the lowest carbon footprint. It's mostly China that produces the waste. Also neo liberal politicians and celbrities who need to fly everywhere burning jet fuel while trying to dictate to us how to live.
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   • anemone (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:44:34 JST anemone

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     electric cars are a giant scam but then cars in general are for the most part.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:44:45 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @animeirl @thatbrickster for sure
   • Bricky :padoru: (thatbrickster@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:45:12 JST Bricky :padoru:

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     @coolboymew Nick Clegg said 11 years ago that a new nuclear power station would take 10 years to build. Sizewell was started this year.
     
     I don't believe electric vehicles are the answer. Hydrogen can at least work with ICEs modified to take it.
     
     I think I remember cattle being killed en masse for the sake of lowering CO2e. If their hearts were committed then they should've euthanised themselves too. Save the oxygen for ideas that are actually pragmatic and practical.
     
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:47:25 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @thatbrickster @animeirl there's a reason the bug shilling and going after cattle farmers started around the same time
     
     But yeah, nuclear power plants would have been built if they stopped putting their fingers in their asses and have done it yesterday
     
     But either way, it's true that we have to have alternate energy already but rushing into it is going to be bad for everyone, especially that they already have wrecked the economy
   • Agora Brewing (agora_brewing@thebag.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:47:42 JST Agora Brewing

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     @coolboymew @animeirl @thatbrickster
     
     Nah fuck it. ESG is literally just rich companies paying for credits to say "look I paid my fair share" without even doing anything to be more environmentally friendly while small farmers get fucked because they aren't rich enough to have lobbyists and shit. This is just a ploy to benefit those in power and has nothing to do with giving a shit about the environment. And of course ESG cred is just a tax scheme so guess who makes money while the market is consolidated
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:50:47 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @agora_brewing @animeirl @thatbrickster ESG is a joke considering cigarette companies are highly rated. IIRC the production of the product are highly polluant too
     
     I'm guessing it's all about self-reported or they send a dumbasses and can have the wool put over his eyes
     
     We're all in IT here, I lack an example right now, but ever seen a software website that was basically the equivalent of jiggling keys in front of CEOs/Middle managers because there sure was a lot of promises and 0 substances, to the level where you didn't fucking know what the software even had as features? This is what ESG is like, it's key jiggling in front of people who are managing the biggest amount of money on earth. It's completely useless
   • anemone (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:50:58 JST anemone

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     idk about the uk (though it's probably even worse) but more than half of over all car trips in the US are one person traveling under 3 miles. completely absurd use for a car
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:51:43 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @animeirl @thatbrickster oh for sure. I don't have a car myself and I checked for an apartment and it's basically impossible without fucking myself significantly
     
     I just don't trust the government to properly solve this problem
   • Bricky :padoru: (thatbrickster@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:51:52 JST Bricky :padoru:

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     @coolboymew Pigs will fly first. I've got money on it.
     
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   • anemone (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:51:57 JST anemone

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     its marketing
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   • anemone (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 09:52:45 JST anemone

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     me neither but i trust the people in government "fighting" against it even less
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   • Agora Brewing (agora_brewing@thebag.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 10:15:00 JST Agora Brewing

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     Right. My point is that ESG is the ultimate expression of the government caring about environmentalism. Which is to say not at all. It's a tax scheme.
     
     As a brewer, I support all forms of fermentation including the fermentation of tobacco. The unargued point being whether or not CO2 is bad, which I take the negative on.
     
     But anyways, you were talking specifically about net zero which is only achieved by ESG which is why I brought it up. Pay enough taxes and who cares about the fuel you burn in your distribution system?
     
     You also mentioned pushing pollution onto another country which I totally agree happens but think about it also in the context of tariffs and such. This ends up being a really stuck up form of sepuku where the rich country outsources production to the 3rd world country so the rich country can continue proselytizing about environmentalism while sacrificing nothing in the way of cheap goods while also gutting their own manufacturing and widening the income gap between the 99 and the 1%. It all feeds into the same parasitic cycle but we're over here talking about CO2 like it's a real problem.
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   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 10:51:37 JST sim

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     @animeirl @coolboymew @thatbrickster It's not about increasing development but restricting car use. So you will have to go the long way around if you have used up about 100 passes to get to places. There were definitely roads blocked and it has been a problem for emergency services. If you live in a poor area without proper development, gl.
     
     https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KUtdnbagcqM
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   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 10:57:11 JST sim

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     @animeirl @coolboymew @thatbrickster Here is proof that they set up bollards and the response to them. This may be a part of the low traffic neighbourhood scheme which is a part of this 15 minute city concept. They just do the worst ideas.
     
     https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2geYuxZ7bvM
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 10:58:03 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @sim @animeirl @thatbrickster yeah this is what I've seen and this is entirely retarded
   • anemone (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 11:04:58 JST anemone

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     passes seem weird but the idea cars need access to every street seems incredibly entitled. don't understand why they're so mad about having to go around
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 11:04:58 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @animeirl @sim @thatbrickster extremely inconvenient when there's an exit, right there. Plus as said, it blocks emergency services
     
     Locally, we've had the city do sidewalks where there weren't and they fucked everything up. The people here likes to park on the side of the streets, and the police ain't enforcing shit
     
     In winter, when the streets weren't properly, uhhh, shoveled? By that giant machine, this usually means walking in cars track, but the cars had enough room to avoid me. Now, the sidewalks still aren't properly shoveled with that smaller machine, this means still having to walk in the street and... oops, it's now very dangerous
   • anemone (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 11:05:16 JST anemone

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     cant they just go down a different street? seems insane
   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 11:05:16 JST sim

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     @animeirl @coolboymew @thatbrickster Yes, I'm sure that emergency services which need to get to the hospital can indeed go down a different street once they've figured out that they can't go down this one so have to back up and take a longer route in order to save their patient. Very nice of them. Or how about if there is a fire and they need to get to the other side? The fire will be burning for longer. Or the police come across this and it takes them even longer. These were meant to be temporary.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 11:11:53 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @animeirl @sim @thatbrickster there would still be cars because they need to eventually reach their home or go to home. It's not a problem on my inner street but it's outright on the street that gives to the main street so it wouldn't solve shit in the end
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     seems like in your case it would be safer with the system above in place since then there wouldn't be cars in the street and you could just walk. And again, I'm skeptical of how much it would delay emergency services since I've seen those types of false claims before in other situations. Might be true in this one but I've seen enough lies about the subject to be skeptical
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 11:15:19 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @animeirl @sim @thatbrickster there is already no through traffic, it's the corner of a suburbia and I'm talking when I'd have to go take the bus to go to work, basically the time other people would go to work too
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     far fewer if there's no through traffic, you know that
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 11:17:11 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @animeirl @sim @thatbrickster because since it's a corner street in not the rich areas, snow shovelling of the streets doesn't take top priority, so at 6-7AM during the winter, I have absolutely no fucking choices but to walk on tire tracks on the snow, because of recent city bad decisions
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     if there's no through traffic why is it dangerous?
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 11:20:19 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @animeirl @sim @thatbrickster because there's still a bunch of cars exiting because it's prime time for them to go to work, exactly when you'd be out going for the bus to do the same thing The street used to be wide, now it isn't
     
     I don't know why I wrote my specific sidewalk story but it's a prime example of the city being retarded and doing shit that nobody asked and it's now fucking worse than it was
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     Why is that dangerous if there's hardly any traffic? Sorry I'm having trouble figuring out what scenario you're describing.
   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 11:23:56 JST sim

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     @animeirl @coolboymew @thatbrickster Every second counts for emergency services. If they don't know where the bollards are or a satnav doesn't, that costs them in time. It also means they have to take a longer route around which costs in time again. Interestingly, they put this system in place when the roads weren't exactly designed for it, and if you have a city where it is a one-way system then that takes time to figure out where to get to and means taking longer.
     
     I think these two things are different because the bollards aren't coming down. I don't know quite how they plan to enforce the car passes, probably with cameras though. So you are limited in how many trips you can take in a car and which streets you can use given a bollard.
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