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1. Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 25-Sep-2023 18:08:25 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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   @meeper @Jain @kaia @allison @solidsanek @galena @Moon Or get almost whatever thinkpad, you'll probably get better hardware for the same price.
   
   Heck, ~sl seems to have tested a massive amount of them: http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/hardware/thinkpad/
   • :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: (allison@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Monday, 25-Sep-2023 18:08:23 JST :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans:

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     @lanodan @Jain @kaia @meeper @solidsanek @galena @Moon Better supported hardware, certainly. For pretty much every alternative OS with source availability which is still being actively developed, your best bet will be white box x86 hardware and I don't see this changing any time soon.
   •  (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Monday, 25-Sep-2023 18:08:23 JST 

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     @allison @Jain @kaia @meeper @solidsanek @galena @lanodan @Moon x86 survived and thrived for a reason, but there's enough software infrastructure to enable smooth transition to ARM, like the translation layers available for all three major desktop OSes. Now it's only a matter of waiting for proper hardware which might not come anytime soon as there's still juice to be squeezed out of x86.
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     @mint When it comes to alternative operating systems specifically, x86 is going to hold the crown for quite a while longer. With ARM, you have the big problem of there being a near total lack of standardization on top of nonsense like device trees, while white box x86 is (historically anyways, glowies are doing their best to destroy this) *mostly* consistent in a way where even if it has quirks, they're all well documented and they can be reasonably worked around. I hope RISC-V meets success as a general purpose architecture, but best as I can tell, they struggle with these issues to an even greater extent.
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   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 25-Sep-2023 18:24:51 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @mint @Jain @kaia @allison @meeper @solidsanek @galena @Moon 9front needs no translation layers for architectures (well except what compiler and post-mortem debugger does but AFAIK that's just normal encoding/decoding).
     All you need is good hardware and a RaspberryPi is not.
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   •  (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Monday, 25-Sep-2023 18:25:44 JST 

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     @lanodan @Jain @kaia @allison @meeper @solidsanek @galena @Moon So does everything that doesn't heavily rely on running proprietary software.
   •  (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Monday, 25-Sep-2023 18:35:12 JST 

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     @allison >white box x86 is (historically anyways, glowies are doing their best to destroy this) *mostly* consistent
     Mostly. PC-98 and other weird jap computers aren't AT/AT compatible, so are Intel Atom smartphones like ZenFone 2 that don't implement proper ACPI and use some weird bootloader.
     Same is true in some capacity for ARM as well, I think most enterprise-grade servers and workstations also use UEFI, so do ARM laptops like the recent Snapdragon Thinkpad. Nokia/Microsoft also had working UEFI on Lumias. Sadly most SoC vendors never bother with it since their boards would just go into disposable by design smatphones and such.
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     @mint Yeah there has been some convergence with UEFI although even on ARM machines which do use UEFI, Linux prefers enumerating devices using device trees which leads to some funny situations like OpenBSD/arm64 running on the Windows Dev Kit 2023 natively while Linux users just sneed.
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