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1. fatepony (fatepony@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 02:33:55 JST fatepony
   Despite claiming to hate feminism, griftercons are really just feminist with different qualifications under the guise of tradwife aesthetics. While they disparage whores and feminists disparage "internalized misogyny" traitors, both fundamentally believe in and promote women's rights. Neither would merely ask the female question, and certainly not so much as identify or pursue a final solution to it.
   
   Even if you're still naive enough to not want TFD for some reason, this is still a braindead take because the destruction of the family is not a battle you're fighting, it's a battle you've lost. Every woman under 30 has an OnlyFans or a body count in the dozens, the economy is so fucked that dual income is basically required and home ownership is increasingly impossible even with both spouses working, and even if you do have kids the school system will groom them into LGBTQ (including private schools and homeschool curriculums now).
   
   This is like seeing some black violence video and then asking "why oh why are they just filming instead of helping?" or "if that was me, I'd simply fight back!" Just as the people in these situations know that helping or fighting back will get you more severely punished by system than the perpetrators, men are correctly identifying that there are more risks than upsides to modern relationships. Just look at Russel Brand this week. Letting other men know these downsides is not promoting the fall of civilization, it's knowing that civilization has fallen and helping others avoid the pitfalls as best they can.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 02:33:54 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Christi Junior
     @ChristiJunior @fatepony Or rather tradcucks need to be willing to shame women at least as much as they do men for their bad behavior.
   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 02:33:55 JST Christi Junior

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     @fatepony Whether people embrace or reject stuff like MGTOW, it needs to be acknowledged that it's a rational and justified response to the state of modern women, the dating market and gynocentrism. And tradcucks need to give up on Shaming, drop Emotional Blackmail about your supposed duties to your genes, family, race whatever, stop with the femoid apologism, and instead acknowledge how badly White men are being screwed over, as well as give their pledge of unconditional support, either in the form of taking away women's rights, dramatically strengthening the position of men, or both. Any tradcuck who can't even do that deserves to be insulted and spammed with porn, not have any of his talking points engaged with.
   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 02:36:58 JST Christi Junior

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     @ArdainianRight @fatepony Not at least as much - more. Way more. This is not a "both sides" situation here, that read on the situation is part of the problem.
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 02:43:02 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Christi Junior
     @ChristiJunior @fatepony
     I'm trying to get them to take baby steps here. It is true that there are good women out there and it's not impossible to get one, but it is important to acknowledge how difficult it is and be understanding of men tapping out. Fundamentally the problem is with the supply side of chaste and virtuous women, and that's where the solution needs to start. If this were to get resolved but men don't step up in response, then it would be fair to shame them, but that is clearly not the case right now.