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1. Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 20:04:38 JST Moon
   you're free to share this image but I couldn't get it licensed for commercial or modification so please just enjoy it as-is.
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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 20:43:20 JST LS

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     @Moon boba
   • 受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 21:11:49 JST 受不了包

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     @Moon@shitposter.club BUBLETEE

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   • Scenes by Colleen (scenesbycolleen@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 23:52:37 JST Scenes by Colleen

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     • sim
     @sim @Moon @mangeurdenuage
     :blobthonkang:
     Well, hypothetical situation here:
     
     So, you'd hire me to make a painting for you
     ...which takes extra time out of my normal schedule and I'd have to make something to your specifications rather than what I want to paint. You're paying for me to make something new rather than something that's completed and I don't have to worry about.
     So I would probably charge more than a normal painting (wouldn't you?).
     
     But then you think that you should own the copyright to that image so you could, say, sell the image on prints/ shirts/ merch/ etc, and none of the money from those sales go back to the artist?
     
     I think most artists would be fine with licensing the image to you (so they would either get a percentage of the sales) or allowing you to use the image for personal things or something you're likely to make no/ little money from - you can just ask if you want that to be included in the price (you may need to make up some documents if you plan to sell it and give a percentage, unless you're giving them a lump sum).
     
     But... you can see how this could get out of control pretty easily if people were just allowed to make money off of someone else's images, right? I know the copyright laws are a little crazy (usually last too long, for one) and corporations can go overboard protecting their things - Disney will come down on you HARD if you sell their character art unlicensed, for example - but imagine the opposite scenario. Someone from Disney commissions a painting from you, then resells that image on their merchandise as a "Disney" product, making much more money because they're a big business. Even if they included your name (which they probably won't), very few people will actually find your work and buy from you (so the "your art is getting ***exposure***!" argument usually isn't applicable either). You're also not working for Disney and if you had known that you were, you would have asked for a much higher price to accommodate for the fact that they would make so much money off of it. Copyright can be annoying and downright bad sometimes, but it can and does protect the little guy from this sort of thing (sometimes).
     
     And hey, "what's the point in commissions if they tend to cost a lot more" - are you *only* interested in the ability to reproduce the image and not the original piece? That's fine, as long as you make it clear that that's what you want. Companies that make trading cards (say, MTG cards?) are often only interested in the image and not the original, and pay for the ability to reproduce that image on the cards they sell. Not a problem - as long as it's clear.
     
     TLDR: Commissions are for getting what *you* want the artist to paint/ draw/ make. If you want the copyright as well, ask for it?
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 23:52:37 JST Moon

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     @scenesbycolleen @mangeurdenuage @sim When I commission a Pleroma art I always try to negotiate for the rights to be CC0. It always costs extra, as it should since I'm asking ,as you have said, for a lot more than just the picture. I am happy to do so, everyone wins. Sometimes the artist doesn't want to CC0 it, that's disappointing for me but I understand why.
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 23:52:38 JST Moon

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     • mangeurdenuage
     @mangeurdenuage unless you negotiate copyright ownership or the artist is under your employ as work-for-hire you don't get copyright ownership when you commission a work
   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 23:52:38 JST sim

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     • mangeurdenuage
     @Moon @mangeurdenuage If you commission, I really think it should be a given that you own the copyright because someone is working for you since you are paying them to make something. This is a problem that I ran into. Otherwise what is the point in commissions since they tend to cost a lot more?
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 23:52:39 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @Moon
     > but I couldn't get it licensed for commercial or modification
     Didn't you pay for it ?