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1. Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 10:07:41 JST Moon
   deeply uncomfortable with rights organizations making pragmatic appeals against internet surveillance. would way rather see them saying something like "human decency recognizes the absolute right of people to have private conversations without government eavesdropping."
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 10:07:55 JST Moon

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     Like, do you work for me or do I work for you? Government exists as a convenience, if your government thinks it owns you it deserves to be immediately destroyed.
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   • Philontraphic leader - hand in globe. (mar77i@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 10:08:12 JST Philontraphic leader - hand in globe.

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     @Moon An honest government, even if it's "tyrannical", many would find preferable by this point.
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   • Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw37a2@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 10:08:46 JST Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @freemo Pragmatic as in "for practical reasons" instead "for our priciples". @Moon
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 10:08:47 JST Moon

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @freemo a pragmatic appeal means arguing "we shouldn't do it because it won't work" or "it would be too costly to implement"
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 10:08:47 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @Moon ahhh I see.. that doesnt sound like a very pragmatic approach to me. But I understand now.

   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 10:08:48 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @Moon I think there was a typo in your post, or i misunderstood…

     Isnt this:

     human decency recognizes the absolute right of people to have private conversations without government eavesdropping.

     An example of this

     rights organizations making pragmatic appeals against internet surveillance

   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 10:11:09 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     @Moon consider the following: mainstream civil rights orgs are probably owned by the CIA at this point
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