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1. nosat (nosat@liberdon.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:02:32 JST nosat

   @a114ac98769f04e69c6dbbb9a23d1226349c6df5d78ffb3f59362cc26fd0889c Monero is rapidly becoming the privacy layer for surveillance chains, next step is just to use Monero 👍

   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:02:48 JST Machismo

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     @nosat >can't buy monero from most exchanges, even with kyc, because Australia is gigacucked
   • nosat (nosat@liberdon.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:09:17 JST nosat

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     @Zerglingman that is true, if people want to buy and speculate in surveillance coins then swap to Monero when they want to actually spend it for real things that is great, Monero is real money 👍

   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:10:26 JST Machismo

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     @nosat Yeah my current plan is to spin up a second bitcoin wallet - because I can't be bothered tracking addresses - and shove everything that I buy with KYC into there, immediately swap it into monero. Then do whatever with it, which will mostly be swapping it back to bitcoin to spend. -.-
   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:11:14 JST Machismo

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     @nosat Also, what's your opinion on nano, other than "needs more monero features"?
   • nosat (nosat@liberdon.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:11:54 JST nosat

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     @Zerglingman I find it pretty rare that I have to go back to BTC/LTC to spend, mostly Monero is accepted where I spend.

   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:12:27 JST Machismo

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     @nosat Shoot me all your haunts.
   • nosat (nosat@liberdon.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:13:02 JST nosat

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     @Zerglingman I have not played with nano, I just use LTC when I need fast+cheap transactions

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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:13:07 JST Machismo

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     @nosat Fair enough.
   • laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:13:12 JST laurel

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     @Zerglingman @nosat
     
     Have you ever used the xmr/btc atomic swap?
     How did it go?
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:13:22 JST Machismo

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     • laurel
     @laurel @nosat Uh, probably not? Is that the name of a service?
   • nosat (nosat@liberdon.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:15:27 JST nosat

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     @laurel @Zerglingman have not used it, the many swap services are good for now, once they start to go KYC then I will move to atomic swaps

     hopefully we will have a legit and mature DEX by then

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   • laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:16:58 JST laurel

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     @Zerglingman @nosat
     
     That is decentralized xmr/btc swap based on a protocol.
     Is there any DEX that supports xmr/btc conversion?
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   • nosat (nosat@liberdon.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:22:06 JST nosat

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     • laurel

     @laurel @Zerglingman yes there is bisq, it is a decentralized exchange

     there is also https://basicswapdex.com but it is still not super user friendly and under development

     then there is https://github.com/UnstoppableSwap/unstoppableswap-gui

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   • laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:30:35 JST laurel

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     @nosat @Zerglingman
     
     >Bisq
     "Disputes are handled through a decentralized human mediation and arbitration system"
     It isn't an onchain system. It's more like a localbitoin market written on ipfs and similar.
     
     >Basicswap DEX
     That's nice, didn't know about it. Seems to be pretty new too (1 month old)
     
     >UnstoppableSwap
     That's the atomic swap implementation I was asking about. Which looks to be by far the safest solution right now.
   • laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 21:39:23 JST laurel

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     @nosat @Zerglingman
     
     Looked a bit more into basicswap, looks pretty solid.
     It is using atomic swaps to do the trade. Could be seen as a more easy to use atomic swap implementation.
     As long as the code is not bad it should be 100% decentralized.
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   • nosat (nosat@liberdon.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 22:52:15 JST nosat

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     @laurel @Zerglingman yup, it is promising, they just need to integrate all the configuration into the UI so oyu can just fire the thing up and configure your nodes and settings in an easy way

     right now it uses docker and is a PITA to set up

   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 22:53:13 JST Machismo

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     @nosat @laurel >docker
     STOP DOING CONTAINERS
     PROGRAMS WERE NEVER MEANT TO HAVE THEIR OWN OPERATING SYSTEMS
     WANTED TO ISOLATE THINGS ANYWAY, FOR A LAUGH? WE HAD A TOOL FOR THAT, IT'S CALLED CHROOTING
     etc. etc.
     It shouldn't be too hard to get it running without docker by inspecting the docker file.
   • nosat (nosat@liberdon.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 22:55:10 JST nosat

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     • laurel

     @Zerglingman @laurel you can do it without docker, they have instructions on the site, but it is even worse than with docker 😉

   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 22:55:26 JST Machismo

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     @nosat @laurel I'm curious now.
   • nosat (nosat@liberdon.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 22:58:11 JST nosat

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     @Zerglingman @laurel have fun, I will hold off until they sort it out and provide an executable, appimage, or it's in package repo

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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 22:58:17 JST Machismo

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     @nosat @laurel Would you accept a PKGBUILD?
   • nosat (nosat@liberdon.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 22:58:48 JST nosat

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     @Zerglingman @laurel for sure 👍

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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 23:00:12 JST Machismo

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     @nosat @laurel >For community The community chat https://discord.me/particl Discord
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 23:00:34 JST Machismo

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     @laurel @nosat mfw the dev chat on matrix is too old for conduit to join, can you bug them to upgrade pls
   • laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 23:13:12 JST laurel

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     • Machismo
     @Zerglingman @nosat
     
     If you are up for it, you could test the unstoppableswap swap from above https://github.com/UnstoppableSwap/unstoppableswap-gui
     It was funded through the monero foundation https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/unstoppableswap-gui-2.html but it is mainly a frontend on a forked implementation from https://github.com/comit-network/xmr-btc-swap which does happen to have a matrix.
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 23:14:06 JST Machismo

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     @laurel @nosat I think that's already in AUR.
   • nosat (nosat@liberdon.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 23:16:04 JST nosat

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     • laurel

     @laurel @Zerglingman wish they supported other chains like LTC, don't even want to transact with BTC anymore

     there is also dcred dex, but no monero support 😞
     https://dex.decred.org/

   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 02:18:38 JST Machismo

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     @nosat @laurel >mv ./coincurve-anonswap/*/{.,}* ./coincurve-anonswap || true
     
     mv: cannot move '_cffi_build/.' to './.': Device or resource busy
     mv: cannot move '_cffi_build/..' to './..': Device or resource busy
     mv: cannot move 'coincurve/.' to './.': Device or resource busy
     mv: cannot move 'coincurve/..' to './..': Device or resource busy
     mv: cannot move 'docs/.' to './.': Device or resource busy
     mv: cannot move 'docs/..' to './..': Device or resource busy
     mv: cannot move 'tests/.' to './.': Device or resource busy
     mv: cannot move 'tests/..' to './..': Device or resource busy
     mv: will not overwrite just-created './__init__.py' with 'tests/__init__.py'
     
     what the fuck is this drug-addled shit lmao
     Now I need to figure out what pip install <dir> does.