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1. djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 13:27:36 JST djsumdog

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   • Dave Lane 🇳🇿

   our society’s economies are in lock step with fossil fuel exploitation

   Are you in an fantasy world? There are two fantasies going on:

   1. Industry is not “in lock step with fossil fuel” .. all the big energy companies are making money off climate change. They’ve all pivoted for selling less efficient tech that seems “green” to get more cash. (see the documentary Planet of the Humans which goes into all the petrol needed to keep wind turbines and solar stations running .. they literally cannot operate without hydrocarbons).

   2. that needs to change

   Fossil fuel is the single reason we have the world we have today. It’s not going away any time soon. That’s a fantasy .. and if there is no anthropocentric climate change, cutting fuel forces people into poverty and struggle to heat their homes for no damn reason.

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   • Dave Lane 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 13:27:38 JST Dave Lane 🇳🇿

     @djsumdog I think there's more nuance to it than that. I'm very cynical about the EV industry (even so, given that I have PV on my house, I'm keen to have one when my ICE car dies) & I agree that many corporations are trying to push bullshit like hydrogen conversion. I get a lot of stuff. But the issue is that our society's economies are in lock step with fossil fuel exploitation & that needs to change.

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