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1. Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 22:45:51 JST Aral Balkan

   Some folks are suggesting you get a FairPhone without Google’s apps from Murena and I’m very confused… why would anyone want to do that?

   FairPhone is an ethical company that makes fair trade and environmentally-friendly phones. And FairPhone includes Google’s apps and promotes their use as a feature on their phones. As an ethical organisation, they would not do that if Google was in any way unethical. So Google must be at least as ethical FairPhone.

   So why buy a version without Google’s apps?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 22:55:25 JST Aral Balkan

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     • fuzzyface

     @fuzzyface But FairPhone thinks they’re as ethical as they are or they wouldn’t include and promote their apps. Do you mean FairPhone are mistaken? :)

   • fuzzyface (fuzzyface@mastodonapp.uk)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 22:55:31 JST fuzzyface

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     @aral Maybe some people don't think that Google is quite as ethical or friendly or trustworthy as Fairphone? Maybe, just maybe. 🙂

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:14:31 JST Aral Balkan

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     • fuzzyface

     @fuzzyface Or maybe they took venture capital and are now trying to scale as quickly as possible so they can exit.

     https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/110978891238384918

   • fuzzyface (fuzzyface@mastodonapp.uk)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:14:32 JST fuzzyface

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     @aral I think that FairPhone might be asking people to take baby steps. First a repairable phone and then maybe in a few years get people to stop selling all of their privacy to the devil of capitalism. Gotta sell the phones to make any progress...

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:18:04 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Eelco Mulder :mastodon:

     @voorstad *Phew!*

   • Eelco Mulder :mastodon: (voorstad@mastodon.nl)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:18:05 JST Eelco Mulder :mastodon:

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     @aral

     True, Google is nothing but a fast-loading search engine.

     #dontbeevil

   • Steven Saus [he/him] (stevensaus@faithcollapsing.com)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 00:47:29 JST Steven Saus [he/him]

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     @aral

     That implies only that FairPhone *believes* that Google is not and *would not* violate their ethical stances.

     I'm going to assume that those folks who don't want Google's apps DIStrust Google more than they trust FairPhone.

   • Toni :mastodon: (coloco@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 00:48:34 JST Toni :mastodon:

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     • Steven Saus [he/him]

     @StevenSaus Con lo que he leído ya, desconfió de los dos. ¿Como vas a pensar que el diablo va a actuar bien?

     Es el mundo al revés.
     Desde que leí ese toot de Fairphone y Google estan juntos en no se que, ya no me gusta <fairphone, en serio.
     Me iba a intentar comprar un Fairphone y ya no lo quiero.
     Lo juro por la memoria de mi hermano mayor EPD.

     @aral

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 06:14:33 JST Aral Balkan

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     • rugk
     • fuzzyface

     @rugk @fuzzyface Not whataboutism, no. If you’re talking about baby steps, it’s important to understand where you’re taking those steps towards. With venture capital your baby (or not so baby) steps are heading towards your exit. In other words, the sale of your company to a bigger company (like Google, for example) or to the public via an IPO. At which point your only mission is to provide quarter on quarter growth for your shareholders.

   • rugk (rugk@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 06:14:34 JST rugk

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     • fuzzyface

     @aral @fuzzyface whataboutism? We talked about baby steps and this is where I see it too. Literally it is nowhere near realistic that a phone with dunno Ubuntu mobile or how it is called would sell or even get interest as much as the current one. It's different aims, packing everything under the term "ethical" is way too unspecific.

     And after all they can take baby steps like flashing a custom ROM or next time buy it preinstalled with a different OS.