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1. Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 23:51:24 JST Aral Balkan

   “We see you’re using an ad-blocker.”

   I see you’re douchebags.

   #surveillanceCapitalism #adtech #web #douchebags

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:12:39 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • Matthew Booth

     @mattb How about this: provide a paid for service and don’t track people.

     You might say “but that’s exactly what they are doing!”

     Not really. They’re trying to have their cake and eat it too. They have absolutely no problem with surveillance capitalism – with exposing people to tracking by third parties and everything that that entails – and with their site making money from adtech. Then, on top of that, they’ll also take money to turn off the ads. The tracking? Not necessarily.

   • Matthew Booth (mattb@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:12:40 JST Matthew Booth

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     @aral I have sympathy for this message. It's irritating, but they have no obligation to provide services for free. What could they do instead which would be better?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:15:53 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Don Whiteside

     @donw Exactly. When we were maintaining Better¹ (our tracker blocker), we would run into this constantly.

     This isn’t about the kind of ad that’s just an image. This is about adtech. This is about violating your privacy as much as possible and selling you to the highest bidder in an online auction every time you refresh the page.

     ¹ https://better.fyi

   • Don Whiteside (donw@mastodon.coffee)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:15:54 JST Don Whiteside

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     @aral I get those all the time and I don’t run an ad blocker. I run a tracker blocker, which they “confuse” with an ad blocker. Tells me what they’re really concerned with.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:19:03 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Stefan Bohacek

     @stefan Love it!

   • Stefan Bohacek (stefan@stefanbohacek.online)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:19:04 JST Stefan Bohacek

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     @aral The only reason to detect an ad-blocker is to warn the site visitor if it's missing.

     https://wordpress.org/plugins/detect-missing-adblocker/

     (Note that the plugin doesn't work too well right now, the ad-blocker detection started to get pretty unreliable. Maybe it's time to look at this again.)

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:22:17 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Matthew Booth

     @mattb Yes, you can. It’s the system we call surveillance capitalism. Or, in my book, people farming.

   • Matthew Booth (mattb@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:22:18 JST Matthew Booth

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     @aral I take your point, but picking on a specific internet facing organisation for using an ad network in the current environment is arbitrary. You can apply the same to almost everybody.

     If you pay them, is their site still broken if you use a blocker? That would make them douchebags imho.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:46:51 JST Aral Balkan

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     • utzer [Friendica]

     @utzer Haha, nice :)

   • utzer [Friendica] (utzer@social.yl.ms)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:47:08 JST utzer [Friendica]

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     @aral I guess you understand what I mean, if not, append your URL straight behind this one. 12ft.io/
   • utzer [Friendica] (utzer@social.yl.ms)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:47:27 JST utzer [Friendica]

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     @aral tried using a 12ft ladder to look over the billboard?
   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:52:27 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Stefan Bohacek
     • Steve Purcell

     @sanityinc @stefan Are there any ad networks left that don’t do tracking? Perhaps look into one of those.

   • Steve Purcell (sanityinc@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:52:28 JST Steve Purcell

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     • Stefan Bohacek

     @stefan @aral@mastodon.ar.al I run a site that has been largely ad-supported for a long time, and even I'm ready to do something like this, mainly because Google have gradually enshittified the experience of my visitors by unilaterally making my site more hostile to them over time.

   • Stefan Bohacek (stefan@stefanbohacek.online)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:52:29 JST Stefan Bohacek

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     • Steve Purcell

     @sanityinc @aral Ha, thank you!

   • Steve Purcell (sanityinc@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:52:30 JST Steve Purcell

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     • Stefan Bohacek

     @stefan @aral Genius

   • CynAq 🤘 (cynaq@evil.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:55:22 JST CynAq 🤘

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     • Matthew Booth

     @mattb@hachyderm.io @aral@mastodon.ar.al They ask for donations without putting content behind a paywall, and they don't run adds.

   • Matthew Booth (mattb@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:55:23 JST Matthew Booth

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     • CynAq 🤘

     @CynAq @aral How is it funded?

   • CynAq 🤘 (cynaq@evil.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:55:24 JST CynAq 🤘

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     • Matthew Booth

     @mattb@hachyderm.io @aral@mastodon.ar.al It's n independent news organization.

   • CynAq 🤘 (cynaq@evil.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:55:25 JST CynAq 🤘

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     • Matthew Booth

     @mattb@hachyderm.io @aral@mastodon.ar.al Go on The Intercept and you'll see.

   • Matthew Booth (mattb@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:55:25 JST Matthew Booth

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     • CynAq 🤘

     @CynAq @aral What's that?

   • M.S. Bellows, Jr. (msbellows@c.im)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:55:56 JST M.S. Bellows, Jr.

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     • Matthew Booth
     • CynAq 🤘

     @CynAq @aral @mattb Aren't they also funded by a billionaire?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 01:03:23 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • Stefan Bohacek
     • Steve Purcell

     @sanityinc @stefan Yeah. Basically, one where they place ads not on tracking but based on the topic of your articles. They’re usually far more relevant anyway (I’m already there because I care about your topic), and I’m not having my privacy violated and being sold off in a real-time auction before your page even loads.

   • Steve Purcell (sanityinc@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 01:03:24 JST Steve Purcell

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     • Stefan Bohacek

     @aral @stefan I think I read about one called Ethical Ads, and yeah, that might be a good alternative to just dropping all the revenue.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 01:21:38 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Bread and Circuses
     • Stefan Müller :verified:

     @stefanmuelller Only folks who don’t understand what “pay with your data” means would offer it as an acceptable option in polite company.

     Short: https://www.bbc.co.uk/ideas/videos/surveillance-capitalism-has-led-us-into-a-dystopia/p06p0tdy
     Longer: https://small-tech.org/videos/the-camera-panopticon/

     @breadandcircuses

     #SurveillanceCapitalism #PeopleFarming

   • Stefan Müller :verified: (stefanmuelller@climatejustice.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 01:21:40 JST Stefan Müller :verified:

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     • Bread and Circuses

     @aral @breadandcircuses

     They work for you. So pay them. Either with money or with your data. Your choice. I find it very strange that everybody expects free content.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 01:23:49 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Make Nazis Dead Again

     @stg Thanks, keep forgetting about that :)

   • Make Nazis Dead Again (stg@c.im)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 01:23:50 JST Make Nazis Dead Again

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     @aral Use reader mode in Safari on RawStory and it bypasses the paywall/surveillance wall.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:14:15 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Bread and Circuses
     • Stefan Müller :verified:

     @stefanmuelller @breadandcircuses If describing what they do is calling them names then maybe they should reconsider what they do. They’re not journalists, they’re an adtech company. They’re surveillance capitalists. They make money by being part of the same extractive and exploitative system that gave us Cambridge Analytica and Boris Johnson and Trump and women in the US getting prosecuted for having had abortions.

   • Stefan Müller :verified: (stefanmuelller@climatejustice.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:14:16 JST Stefan Müller :verified:

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     • Bread and Circuses

     @aral @breadandcircuses

     I know very well what this means. I am a computer scientist with a PhD in cs. I am in the internet since 1989 and have my webpage since 1994. I never used cookies on any of my webpages.

     I block cookies wherever I can and delete the rest regularly.

     What did I say? I said: pay them. I pay the Guardian and the taz although they provide their content for „free“. They have to pay their staff. I also pay for other newspapers and magazines.

     If you do not want to pay them with cash you pay with data. A much higher price. We both agree on this. However, I would not call people names who try to run a newspaper or blog and pay their staff.

     PS I am one of the press directors of an #openaccess publishing house that publishes free for authors. But somebody has to pay the bills in the end. In our case it is 100+ universities.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:15:49 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Bread and Circuses
     • Stefan Müller :verified:

     @stefanmuelller @breadandcircuses I have the utmost respect for journalism. Adtech isn’t journalism.

     https://better.fyi/spotlight/

     #adtech #journalism #SurveillanceCapitalism #PeopleFarming

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 15:08:28 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Steve8282

     @Steve8282 Do you see that I couldn’t care less?

   • Steve8282 (steve8282@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 15:08:29 JST Steve8282

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     @aral Do you see that I stopped following you?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 15:12:48 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • patter

     @patterfloof “Hey, that slap sure did hurt, didn’t it? If you’d like to stop me slapping you in the future…”

   • patter (patterfloof@meow.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 15:12:50 JST patter

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     @aral I saw a decent one on Newsthump earlier, where it's probably even less intrusive than that ad that replaces it :)

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 17:51:10 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Bread and Circuses
     • Stefan Müller :verified:

     @stefanmuelller @breadandcircuses We no longer maintain it. It just wasn’t viable and building the Small Web is taking up every minute of my time :) (The link is to an article we published while we were maintaining it that I thought you might find interesting.)

   • Stefan Müller :verified: (stefanmuelller@climatejustice.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 17:51:11 JST Stefan Müller :verified:

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     • Bread and Circuses

     @aral @breadandcircuses

     The app is not available in my app store.