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1. Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:27:08 JST Jeff Cliff

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   @EightEight - they looked at vax vs unvaxxed
   https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(23)00263-8/fulltext
   h/t @saskboy
   • EightEight (eighteight@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:27:08 JST EightEight

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     you already said the CDC was wrong, so no mainstream source you show me is going to hold any weight.
     but regardless, I looked at this article, and it's doing too much. it's got like 9 different groups and 10 different self reported polls, etc.
     I want to see a study where they directly followed people who got vaccinated, and people who never got vaccinated, and I want to see the differences between them.
     
     I have tons of articles myself. Here's one showing that covid vaccines have serious adverse affects in 1 in 800 ppl who got the vaccine, versus other vaccines like the swine flu that have adverse affects in 1 in 100,000 ppl who got it. That's a x100 times increase in serious adverse affects.
     https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/
     https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/
     
     and here's a funny one:
     UK admits that children who got vaccinated are 13,000% more likely to die of covid:
     https://www.globalresearch.ca/shocking-uk-government-admits-covid-vaccinated-children-4423-more-likely-die-any-cause-13633-more-likely-die-covid-19-than-unvaccinated-children/5788225
     
     I can go on and on, I have tons of these, and they will all contradict whatever you have. Which is why I said in the beginning that these people are liars and can't be trusted, and anything you show me will likely be a lie.
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:27:32 JST Jeff Cliff

     in reply to

     • pyrate : sleigh captain
     • Saskboy K.
     • Beomus :adm1::adm2:
     • lonely ranger
     • EightEight
     > you already said the CDC was wrong, so no mainstream source you show me is going to hold any weight.
     
     That doesn't follow. I am not an american and do not care about the CDC. The rest of the world isn't as fucked up as the US and our data isn't as suspect.
     
     > I have tons of articles myself. Here's one showing that covid vaccines have serious adverse affects in 1 in 800 ppl
     
     that is significantly less than covid.
     
     > That's a x100 times increase in serious adverse affects.
     
     That is comparing apples and oranges. Different vaccines carry different amounts of risk.
     
     > UK admits that children who got vaccinated are 13,000% more likely to die of covid:
     > https://www.globalresearch.ca/shocking-uk-government-admits-covid-vaccinated-children-4423-more-likely-die-any-cause-13633-more-likely-die-covid-19-than-unvaccinated-children/5788225
     
     This data is not valid. I've looked into it over and over again everytime someone like you posts it, and every time it's the same BS that only shows that the people reading it don't understand base rates.
     these graphs come from the "expose" and https://fullfact.org/online/94-per-cent-vaccinated-deaths-covid/ does a relatively decent job of going into them. tl;dr Mercola is a lying sack of shit. https://counterhate.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/210324-The-Disinformation-Dozen.pdf
     
     > Which is why I said in the beginning that these people are liars and can't be trusted, and anything you show me will likely be a lie.
     
     Not everyone in medical science is a liar. That just paints you into an untenable corner