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1. Matt Hamilton [Maryland] (eriner@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 21:56:10 JST Matt Hamilton [Maryland]

   > Me pissing NAS off by saying that people should have a right to self-determination and to use whatever drugs they want

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   • salyer@noagendasocial.com's status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:28:56 JST Salyer

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     @eriner

   • Raven’s Raiment (jagahati@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:29:05 JST Raven’s Raiment

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     @eriner there is a line here that’s easy to miss.

     “People should use whatever drugs they want”

     Should be predicated on standards that include some variety of drug safety studies, drug awareness efforts and protection of children and people who have a drug problem and seek help.

     Else drug companies would sell meth to every mother who feels tired.

     Children need protection from things they do not understand.

     Addicts need help, once they are chemically dependent they can’t “choose” freely.

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   • Matt Hamilton [Maryland] (eriner@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:29:27 JST Matt Hamilton [Maryland]

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     • Raven’s Raiment

     @Jagahati

     > "Should be predicated on standards that include some variety of drug safety studies"

     I'm ok with labeling requirements, but this implies that something should be done about drugs that don't meet some arbitrary standards (excluding death, obviously).

     > Else drug companies would sell meth to every mother who feels tired

     They did, it was called the 20s.

     > Children need protection from things they do not understand

     By their parents/guardians, not the government.

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   • Raven’s Raiment (jagahati@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:29:35 JST Raven’s Raiment

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     @eriner without visibility and standards nobody can make an “informed choice”. Self determination requires information and accuracy.

   • Raven’s Raiment (jagahati@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:37:05 JST Raven’s Raiment

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     • Sir Murray_N

     @Murray_N @eriner

     That’s always the crux, and there is no clean solution that leaves all mankind free.

     Some will use freedom to live for others and raise good families and build good communities, others see those same freedoms as opportunities to victimize, oppress, destroy and conquer.

     So long as mankind are the fallen creatures we are there must always be a balance.

     I want just slightly more freedom than people can be trusted with, but not much more.

   • Raven’s Raiment (jagahati@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:37:06 JST Raven’s Raiment

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     • Sir Murray_N

     @Murray_N @eriner

     Same with weapons, I think everyone should own a rifle, I’m not sure everyone needs mortars, landmines, claymores, grenades or that the wealthy need fleets of predator drones dripping with hellfire missiles.

     And that’s before we even get into the really nasty crap. Does everyone need acess to weaponized smallpox? Or maybe nerve gas, yeah let’s democratize the use of that!

     There must be some distinctions.

   • Sir Murray_N (murray_n@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:37:06 JST Sir Murray_N

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     • Raven’s Raiment

     @Jagahati @eriner
     The second we say someone shouldn’t have something we now have two classes of people. Those who decide and those who suck it up and do what they’re told.
     Don’t believe me? Look around.

   • Raven’s Raiment (jagahati@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:37:06 JST Raven’s Raiment

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     • Sir Murray_N

     @Murray_N @eriner

     Yeah except I think nobody should have most of that stuff…

     But there is no way to get rid of it.

     The best you can do is try to limit the dangers.

   • Sir Murray_N (murray_n@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:37:06 JST Sir Murray_N

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     • Raven’s Raiment

     @Jagahati @eriner
     And if I think differently who gets to choose?

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   • Sir Murray_N (murray_n@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:37:07 JST Sir Murray_N

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     • Raven’s Raiment

     @Jagahati @eriner
     If there is a market for it the market will provide it…..as long as nobody gets in the way.
     Getting in the way of free enterprise is the government’s primary function.