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1. Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 02:38:20 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

   • ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
   • Luigi de Guzman

   @ouij @youronlyone

   If all someone cares about is convenience, why not just stay on Twitter? Why come to a decentralised network and demand that it centralise? It's like going to a vegetarian restaurant and complaining they don't serve meat.

   The solution isn't "choose a larger instance", the solution is to discover people you follow through many different methods: https://fedi.tips/how-do-i-find-accounts-to-follow-on-mastodon-and-the-fediverse-how-do-i-find-my-friends/

   And for admins, the solution is to use hashtag/instance relays: https://fedi.tips/using-relays-to-quickly-expand-a-servers-view-of-the-fediverse/

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 02:44:58 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     • ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
     • Luigi de Guzman

     @ouij @youronlyone

     The problems on Twitter, Facebook etc are a direct result of their structure, they inevitably "enshittify" because they are owned by a single company that will keep pushing to squeeze more and more revenue from a saturated market. They are incentivised to exploit their users in ever worse ways.

     Yes this place is structurally less convenient, but it's the structure that keeps it from turning to crap like Twitter.

     People have to choose their priorities.

   • Luigi de Guzman (ouij@tambayan.us)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 02:57:25 JST Luigi de Guzman

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     • ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣

     @feditips @youronlyone again, I’m here incidentally. The network exists and I figured I’d give it a shot. That is usually how these sorts of networks grow.

     I am currently struggling to find things to follow. I appreciate the hard work you’ve been putting in to make that easier. But it’s not work most casual users will probably want to put in. And that’s going to affect who gets on and stays on the network.

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 06:10:09 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     • ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
     • Luigi de Guzman

     @ouij @youronlyone

     "if you don’t like it/don’t get it GTFO)."

     That would indeed be a terrible attitude, and absolutely NOT what I am saying. Apologies if that's how I came across, I didnt intend to give off that kind of vibe.

     I'm just saying is a lot of the difficulty is from getting used to something different (like the teenagers and the dial phone). It isn't impossible to learn, and once you do learn it can become second nature.

   • Luigi de Guzman (ouij@tambayan.us)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 06:10:10 JST Luigi de Guzman

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     • ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣

     @feditips @youronlyone also there’s an enormous tension between the user base’s self-image (an infinitely inclusive decentralized space) and the reaction a lot of honestly perplexed new users face (if you don’t like it/don’t get it GTFO).

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 06:33:26 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     • ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
     • James Endicott
     • Luigi de Guzman

     @o76923 @youronlyone @ouij

     The reason Twitter is run by a bad person is precisely because of its simpler structure.

     Putting an entire social network onto one instance means it can be very easily sold to anyone with money.

     The same thing that makes it convenient is the same thing that makes it vulnerable to being taken over by Musk etc.

     It's much harder for anyone to buy this place, because it's spread out on thousands of independently owned instances. The complicated structure protects us.

   • James Endicott (o76923@kitty.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 06:33:27 JST James Endicott

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     • ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
     • Luigi de Guzman

     @feditips@mstdn.social @ouij@tambayan.us @youronlyone@c.im
     
     Because Twitter is run by a bad person who is using the platform to do bad things. It's perfectly reasonable to want both convenience and not support a transphobic white supremacist.

   • James Endicott (o76923@kitty.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:42:25 JST James Endicott

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     • ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
     • Luigi de Guzman

     @feditips@mstdn.social @youronlyone@c.im @ouij@tambayan.us
     
     Literally yesterday you were advocating for a feature that would make discovery easier/UX simpler for following others. On a technical level, it would require implementing changes that reduce incentives for centralization.
     
     You demonstrably know that convenience isn't the same as centralization. I have no idea why you are bullying @ouij@tambayan.us for asking that the Fediverse be more convenient to use.

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:42:25 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     • ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
     • James Endicott
     • Luigi de Guzman

     @o76923 @youronlyone

     I'm not sure if "bullying" is an appropriate way to describe what I wrote?

     I was responding to the section "What I can see is pretty limited, and seeing anything else is difficult by design. Normies do not care about how hard it is for the system to be taken over."

     With this phrase, @ouij seemed to be asking for centralisation.

     The point I am making is that the ability for a system to be taken over is exactly what protects this place from people like Musk.

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 22:44:44 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     • ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
     • James Endicott
     • Luigi de Guzman

     @o76923 @youronlyone @ouij

     Non-techy people may think they don't care about how hard it is for a place to be taken over.

     But they do care really, because we've seen the vast number of people unhappy with the behaviour of centralised social networks.

     The technical side of things and the effects of the technology are two sides of the same coin. You cannot have a centralised network that is safe from people like Musk.

   • Luigi de Guzman (ouij@tambayan.us)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 23:21:13 JST Luigi de Guzman

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     • ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
     • James Endicott

     @youronlyone @o76923 @feditips I wasn’t asking for centralization.

     I observed that I have certain frustrations with the platform, and the advice I keep getting from other users boils down to “your instance is too small, join a bigger one.”

     If that’s what solves my frustrations, then the biggest instance always wins.