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1. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 19:38:55 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
   I think the certainty that many people have that their interpretation of facts is the accurate one is probably one of the most amusing and interesting social phenomenon I have ever had the pleasure to witness.
   
   Covid stuff as an example.
   
   We don't even have accurate testing 3 years in, but we are super sure that the numbers we've collected are close enough. You also have people completely convinced the virus never existed at all. The same statistics can be used to support either position.
   
   The virus and the vaccines were both introduced to the population within a very short timeframe, but depending on where you review your data either covid is harmless or it's AIDS, and the vaccine is either safe and effective or it's the clot shot. Everyone on all sides is confident they are right.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 19:40:30 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     Nuance is dead in the 21st century
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 19:42:10 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     @kkarhan maybe. I don't know. That's kind of my point. The information around covid has been tinged with political poison from day one. It's actually quite tragic that we are expected to make what we're told are life and death decisions based on faith in the information gatherers.
   • Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 19:42:11 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     @thatguyoverthere tho one cannot argue with cultists that refrain from accepting the truth.

     Shit escalated because it was not taken as serious as previous #SARS outbreaks which it effectively it is...

   • Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 19:43:35 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     @thatguyoverthere depends on the context, but I get your point...
     https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110825257313505204

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 19:44:13 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     @kkarhan yes you are right. People are more than happy to embrace nuance when their position is strengthened by doing so.
   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 20:20:16 JST ≠

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     Nuance is vital. Then again, use logical fact: a real epidemic leaves behind heaps of bodies across the board. We did not see that.

     New products, especially new technologies, are prone to a higher rate of error. We would expect more casualties than from the average vaccine, and vaccination casualties are never zero.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 20:20:16 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @amerika before "warp speed" I think the expectation was years before a vaccine would be ready. Everyone dogged on trump (oddly not for helping skip safety protocols) saying there was no way for it to be finished and if it was they wouldn't take it. Insert new leader suddenly it's safe and you are a bigot if you disagree
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 20:25:21 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     @kkarhan we had plenty of people who were told to stop paying income tax because they refused the vaccine though too. I personally know at least a half dozen that lost their jobs.
     
     I believe there probably is a contagion, although I believe it was likely created in a lab and the lack of transparency was because everyone had a hand in the pot. I don't know whether or not any public policy was effective. My impression is that they were not. I do know that there are (were) small businesses around me that have since had to close because since the pandemic hit they ran multiple years at a loss. This isn't directly tied to the virus but our unlimited barrel of funds to stop it and then Russia which is making life harder for everyone who isn't already a millionaire
   • Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 20:25:22 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     @thatguyoverthere Yeah, the lack of transparency from day one [espechally from the "P.R." China where it started around August 2019] really made things only worse.

     But then politicians caved in and abolished the few regulations that were made EXACTLY FOR THAT CASE and this really destroyed any faith in systems and structures to me as I'd at least expect the state to not want to destroy it's prime income [aka. income tax] by causing thousands of people to get disabled by #LongCovid ...

   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 20:25:44 JST ≠

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     At this point, COVID has just about become a political loyalty test like everything else.

     Worried about COVID, in favor of transgender special rights, pro-Ukraine, want abortion, talk about Blacks constantly = Leftist.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 20:26:09 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @amerika I tend to agree, but I am still amazed at the strength of conviction
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 20:38:38 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     @kkarhan yes the question is how much of it was intentional, incompetence, or just plain bad luck. Everyone has already made up their minds depending on the political camp they most closely align with. I feel like the reality is we will never be able to separate it all out and make sense of it. I'm not even sure there will be an interest in review if it isn't just to own the others
   • Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 20:38:39 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     @thatguyoverthere Yeah, OFC multiple things fuck us 6 ways from monday to sunday and the little ones are being crushed easier than the cash-hoarders...

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 21:42:20 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     @kkarhan this actually kind of illustrates my point. Your opinions are based on your interpretation of available information. I think the laws that we enacted were harmful. I said in the beginning that the bigger the engine the harder it is to just stop and start it. The world's economy is arguably the largest "engine" we have on the planet, and our attempts to "stop the spread" have led to serious damage. I'm not sure any of it was effective.
     
     Personally I am of the mind that laws do not work to alter behavior anywhere near as much as people like to think they do. When they do alter behavior it's not in the ways that the law makers predicted or hoped it would go. People get more creative in finding ways to work around the laws.
   • Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 21:42:21 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     @thatguyoverthere Incompetence doesn't apply when laws get deliberately abolished that would've saved lives.

     It's intent when quarantine regulations only get flexed against migrants and those that don't have "native passing"...

     Bad luck would be if we didn't see it coming nor had any contingencies and regulations in place before...

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   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 21:43:33 JST m0xEE

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     @thatguyoverthere
     We are truly living in the era of post-truth: facts are nothing if they don't fit the political agenda, if there are no facts to reinforce your point of view — you are free to cherry pick them or even outright make them up.
     Rule of thumb here is to not trust something only because it aligns well with your worldview, question even that, and if it doesn't — integrate it into your worldview by expanding it, do not try to dismiss it.
     @amerika

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   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 21:44:50 JST m0xEE

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     @thatguyoverthere
     I have to admit, I must've overestimated COVID, but only because a lot of people around me kept underestimating it, they took more relaxed stance using every opportunity — they just wanted it to be over really bad.
     And that is my weakness: I always asses poorly how people take information, you thing that something is going to be a game changer, but most people — they are like that tilt-doll, they return to their old ways almost immediately 🤷
     @amerika

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 21:49:11 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @m0xee @amerika when I first started hearing about things (before it was called a pandemic) I took it kind of seriously, mainly because I had a sneaking suspicion pretty early on that it was likely lab grown and might be more deadly than naturally occurring pathogens. As time went on and we started seeing political factions form, I decided "I'm not playing". I don't spend a lot of time retailing anyway, and most of the businesses I deal with put provisions in place to satisfy whatever government requirements they had to meet. If they required a mask I'd wear one, but if not I did not. I wasn't out trying to own anyone on their opinions, but I also didn't hide my skepticism. I still don't really know what to think, but it seems like most people have made up their minds on the facts (and how to interpret them) by now.
   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 23:31:43 JST m0xEE

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     @thatguyoverthere @amerika
     Same, I've had a very bad feeling about it. I remember, it was a week before the New Year and a friend of mine asks me if he could borrow a mic and a keyboard stand, my ex had been using them so I go to her to fetch the gear, we spend the evening talking about that, I tell her that this is going to be big, she doesn't believe me of course, then I go to the friend's place and we sit in the kitchen drinking tea, I've been telling him about the virus too and he was:

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