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Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 00:55:27 JST 
Moon
number ONE mastodon leaver complaint: getting hectored about petty shit - matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire: likes this.
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 00:55:25 JST 
cool_boy_mew
@tomey @McMongoose @Moon A lot of these people are really going to have to make a decision at this point: Accept free speech and block/mute people yourself like an adult, or be forced to eat your vegetable in the SJW Internet or be stuck on big tech forever matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire: likes this. -
Mong (mcmongoose@bae.st)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 00:55:26 JST 
Mong
@Moon
A lot of people on the "dark fedi" side stay because even though it isn't as fun, fedi stills offers them something to say. Unlike mastodon which offers you nothing at all to spend your time, not even talk and top of that it attacks you over the most petty and silly things.
Mastodon hates you having funmatrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire: likes this. -
™️¥ (tomey@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 00:55:26 JST 
™️¥
@McMongoose @Moon >Mastodon hates you having fun
there was an entire section of the article devoted to that point.matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire: repeated this. -
Aven (aven@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 00:55:34 JST 
Aven
@coolboymew @tomey @McMongoose @Moon what they're really looking for is a place where
1) I can hector everyone else about my pet peeves
2) No one can hector me about their pet peeves
They want inequality with themselves on top. This isn't a valid rule-set for rules that are equally applied to everyone. So a rule-set isn't what they're looking for, at least not a fair one.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
bot :kiwi_dumbbell: (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 02:24:45 JST 
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I got blocked by some popular art retard on mastodon because I asked him about his “eye contact” content warnings. It’s almost like fags and trannies are deranged or something. xianc78 likes this. -
☻ (mrsaturday@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 03:02:26 JST 
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@coolboymew @tomey @McMongoose @Moon I'd like to think there's room for an niu.moe-type middle ground, but with how militant Mastodongers are I don't know if that's the case anymore. Either way, the two main onboarding sites, MastoSoc and Poast, being so politically charged and divisive sets fedi back hard. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 03:03:32 JST
cool_boy_mew
@mrsaturday @McMongoose @Moon @tomey the big issue is that SPC is already a middle ground instance. We're friendly with poast and with the trans instances that got rejected from the wider fediverse
It's legitimately impossible to be a middle ground instance and not getting shit -
Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:36:03 JST
Moon
@freemo @coolboymew @McMongoose @tomey I am not responsible for idiots being against free speech, a historically illiterate position. cool_boy_mew and matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire: like this. -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:36:04 JST 
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Seems most of the fediverse have dug their feet in on that already. Sadly the freespeech instances have done everything in their power to convince people not to adopt that side of the fence.
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Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:37:40 JST
Moon
@freemo @McMongoose @coolboymew @tomey the people that came here in the last few years came here already against it. They defederated niue.moe and blob.cat. unless you completely capitulate to them they will defederate you. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:37:41 JST
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Ideas like fault is pointless. Its not about who is to blame and who is to not.
The fact of the matter is the freespeech section of the fediverse has went out of their way to attack and abuse people who federate with them to the point that it is very hard to take a freespeech stance and still be appealing to most people.
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:39:35 JST
cool_boy_mew
@freemo @Moon @McMongoose @tomey "Please save us daddy big tech, we're 30 years old babies who can't think for ourselves and will absolutely take a position that will forsake us all to hell because bad words or something" -
Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:39:42 JST
Moon
@freemo @McMongoose @coolboymew @tomey stop acting like these people are normal people. why do you exert so much effort to be nice to people that will never, ever be nice to you. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:42:05 JST
cool_boy_mew
@freemo @McMongoose @Moon @tomey Muting a domain takes 3 seconds dude -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:42:06 JST
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Its not about that... users can do the blocking themselves (and for now thats how we do it)... but it becomes a full time job for most of our users blocking instances on their own that, without doing so, means the system is barely usable.
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:45:03 JST
cool_boy_mew
@freemo @Moon @McMongoose @tomey
This bad take reminds me of shitlibs and the Amazon driver story that heard the n-word from an automated doorbell speaker when it wasn't there and the dude got banned
Amazon will do everything to avoid an n-word story but they'll treat their employees like fucking shit and barely pay them. A complete consolation prize. That's where you're at, at the consolation prize -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:45:04 JST
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I run QOTO, an instance that strongly leans towards open federation, but locally doesnt allow free speech (our users will be banned for certain forms of speech, though we are rather forgiving in this regard).
While we do sometimes have valuable interactions from free speech instances the issue is the overwhelming majority of interaction is from them dog piling and trolling with overtly racist and aggressive attacks. It is often so bad you cant even use the service without blocking most free speech instances...
Blame who you want but even an instance like QOTO that wants to remain open is struggling to do so because it just makes the service unusable.
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:47:27 JST
cool_boy_mew
@freemo @McMongoose @Moon @tomey
>Yes, and where there are 20 new domains a day that you need to mute
That is patently false. This is absolutely not happening. You're making up a story wholesale to justify being a bitch who blocks everything
There is no weird harassment campaign where people continually make up new domain and instance to just harass and be mean to people. I have never seen this happens -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:47:29 JST
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Yes, and where there are 20 new domains a day that you need to mute and people are hoping instances and bringing up small one-user domains those 3 seconds become a big load.. especially when most of us wont block a domain the moment a single person throws a fit. Its usually only after several incidents someone decides to block. So thats a lot of noise per-domain someone must endure before they silence that one domain, one domain among a great many needing blocking for some.
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:50:42 JST
cool_boy_mew
@freemo @McMongoose @Moon @tomey post proof
I want to see within the next 7 days a receipt of all the domains you've blocked and the reason you are blocking them, coming from you and not from a 3rd party source -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:50:43 JST
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
It probably doesnt happen to you because you are one of the trolls, or at least, close enough to them (you arent as bad as most which is why i never blocked you)... But generally the people who dont participate in the trolling, particularly as a server, are the ones targeted.
I expiernce this a few times a week personally and as an admin have had quite a few of my users complain about the same problem.
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:55:58 JST
cool_boy_mew
@freemo @McMongoose @Moon @tomey
So, no proof then, the usual "it's not my job to teach you bigot" and etc etc.
And how much anyone is willing to bet that the dogpilling comes from horribly bad political take that you personally allow and the user is then screaming "sealioning"? -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 04:55:59 JST
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You can figure that for yourself by going through my feed if you really care to. That isnt an exercise I need to invest time in since I dont see much value coming from that exercise.
If I actually cared about proving my point that would be a good way to do it. I just dont have the energy to care enough to go through all that.
If you'd like I can start tagging you when dogpiles kick in so you can see them though if you really care.
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Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:04:01 JST
Moon
@freemo @McMongoose @coolboymew @tomey do you mean blocking servers or do you mean restrictive rules on their own servers? I am sorry I came into this conversation late. -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:04:02 JST
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Like i said before I am not "blamming" anyone.. Fault is a rather pointless concept... I am mearly stating that free speech is an idea I support but supporting is starting to become technically difficult causing people to adopt a non-free speech approach as its the only option that allows the fediverse to be usable for most people.
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Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:04:03 JST
Moon
@freemo @McMongoose @coolboymew @tomey I feel like you are blaming us for them hating you when they came here already hating people like you before they ever even met us. -
Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:04:26 JST
Moon
@freemo @McMongoose @coolboymew @tomey I don't consider it a free speech thing to block other servers, you have a culture and you want to keep your culture intact on your server. people blocking wide swaths of the fediverse based on bad reasons is a different problem. I have mixed feelings about the term free speech server. we don't allow some things here. can any server really be free speech? I am trying to make us not be a vector for harassment but the line is very fuzzy. -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:04:28 JST
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I am talking about blocking other servers, not the rules internal to your own instance.
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:25:01 JST
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Yup, many of our users would agree with you, partly because our server policies would attract people who feel the way you do. That said many have had the opposite opinion as you.. its a mixed bag. I think it largely depends on your opinions and ideology, yours are probably less of a target than others.
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josemanuel@qoto.org's status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:25:02 JST 
josemanuel
@freemo I have to disagree with you there. It takes very little time and effort to curate your own TL. I interact a lot with free speech instances and I don't get all that many racist or sexist posts. Certainly not enough to make curating my TL a full-time job. On most occasions I don't even care to block or mute because I know I won't be seeing those accounts again.
If you're referring to people like the sandwich guy, he was a very special case, fortunately.
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josemanuel@qoto.org's status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:25:24 JST
josemanuel
@freemo In any case, I think your general point (that free speech instances are frowned upon due to certain people being edgy) was true in the past, but not so much today. I believe those who came in the Twitter migrations wanted a place where they could feel relaxed and be themselves, and instead got a place full of ultrasensitive vigilantes.
I think the tables have turned and free speech has become popular again (a necessity, even), because a lot of people feel constrained by all those “unwritten rules” mentioned in the article @Moon linked to.
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:27:37 JST
cool_boy_mew
@josemanuel @freemo @Moon @McMongoose @tomey Very good post
There's a big issue of an endless cycle of big tech abuse because people don't jump in because of the "bad free speech" which then would make that the tables never actually turns, which why I'm rather critical on the thing -
PurpleCat (purplecat@pleromaundermybed.ddns.net)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:32:59 JST 
PurpleCat
@josemanuel @freemo @Moon @coolboymew @McMongoose @tomey When people join "free speech" websites in 2023, there's a very darn good reason they would IMO.
The be yourself social media culture (or at least the impression of it as Tumblr was giving off despite being a facade) has given way to neopuritanism, which is being fought with other forms of it. A website protesting bad internet laws was saying that they should be blocked for the very same thing the other side wanted to pass those bills for. Not any other reason, but literally that.
The fedi thrives in spite of this blocklisting, not because of it, just because Twitter is so much worse unless you're a firstname lastname boring NPC who is trying to get those like/retweet numbuhs up.cool_boy_mew and matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire: like this.cool_boy_mew and Ardainian Hebrew Israelite repeated this. -
PurpleCat (purplecat@pleromaundermybed.ddns.net)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:33:34 JST
PurpleCat
@coolboymew @McMongoose @freemo @josemanuel @Moon @tomey It's not even just because of that, it's also shit like "all my friends use this" or "I don't want to make an account on this site" or "I don't want to download this app". Even if they have other reasons (see Mumble simply not supporting as many features as Skype did), they cannot articulate it. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:34:03 JST
cool_boy_mew
@PurpleCat @McMongoose @freemo @josemanuel @Moon @tomey that's an whole other issue and one I've had issue for ages. Before Discord, it was hell to get people to stay on an IRC channel, christ -
PurpleCat (purplecat@pleromaundermybed.ddns.net)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:37:42 JST
PurpleCat
@josemanuel @McMongoose @Moon @coolboymew @freemo @tomey It's also no longer just over speech or political speech.
It's now over shit like what art is allowed to be posted online. This can be seen online, with shit like the Zamii070 situation (artist harassed for drawing characters wrong) giving way to the endless DNI posting, faux morals/puritanism over NSFW art, and arguments that boil down to a mix of "stop drawing what I don't like" and "drawings have rights".
This, this is why Japanese fedi instances are booming, and why some instances like varis are so militant about going after those who they see as bullying another JP artist into wiping his gallery and going dark, which keeps happening on Twitter. No seriously, it seems like Twitter has unreal amounts of drama in the art sphere. -
PurpleCat (purplecat@pleromaundermybed.ddns.net)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:37:57 JST
PurpleCat
@coolboymew @McMongoose @freemo @josemanuel @Moon @tomey It wasn't if you had a chatbox on your website. That was the big thing before DIscord servers, you'd get an endless stream of summer posters. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:38:10 JST
cool_boy_mew
@PurpleCat @McMongoose @freemo @josemanuel @Moon @tomey website chatbox were sooooo comfy -
PurpleCat (purplecat@pleromaundermybed.ddns.net)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:40:31 JST
PurpleCat
@coolboymew @McMongoose @freemo @josemanuel @Moon @tomey So in the good old days of Java and later Mibbit (which got replaced by some other web chat thing due to Mibbit being a literal proxy and klined from 109 IRC networks at least), every single website tied their chatbox to an IRC chat.
I used to be a notorious shitposter in some IRC circles years ago haha.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:41:38 JST
cool_boy_mew
@PurpleCat @McMongoose @freemo @josemanuel @Moon @tomey yeah, back in the days I tried have easy webchat links, easy guides to connect, etc. but man, maaaaaan, getting people to stay was hell
What we need is a shift from from big tech and have people to be encouraged to explore the web again. Have a big web again with cool personal websites again, etc -
Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:42:02 JST 
Christi Junior
@coolboymew @McMongoose @freemo @Moon @tomey Like it or not, the Nigger word has become the ultimate symbol of online free speech, and any community that bans it is doomed to become a shithole. cool_boy_mew and Ardainian Hebrew Israelite like this. -
Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 05:49:05 JST
Christi Junior
@coolboymew @McMongoose @freemo @Moon @tomey I remember this crybaby freaking out about me replying to him from my DRC account after he had already blocked my Baest account a while ago ("Muh ban evasion!"). He ran crying to @admin about my actions and demanded that I be punished, and admin of course told him to eat a dick. Then DRC & friends dogpiled the shit out of him.
If he'd just taken 2 seconds to block my DRC instead of being a Drama queen, he could saved himself hours of headache - THAT'S why these people can't deal with free speech and free speech instances.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 09:39:31 JST
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@mischievoustomato @McMongoose @freemo @Moon @tomey they're usually from a handful of domains at best tho' -
Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@marsey.moe)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 09:39:32 JST 
Johnny Peligro
@coolboymew @McMongoose @freemo @Moon @tomey considering how numerous the dogpilers can get you can see why it's annoying and admins much rather just ban them wholly -
Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@marsey.moe)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 09:43:24 JST
Johnny Peligro
@coolboymew @McMongoose @freemo @Moon @tomey that is true. drc/varis/poast more or less cool_boy_mew likes this. -
Economic_Hitman (economic_hitman@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 10:38:40 JST 
Economic_Hitman
@freemo
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Blammingcool_boy_mew likes this. -
Mong (mcmongoose@bae.st)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 22:54:06 JST
Mong
@freemo @coolboymew @Moon @tomey
If you experienced inconveniences is because you went out of your way to become hated, some are hated because of the power they wield like graf or moon, but you're hated because you're a dumb idiot
Nobody here told you to defend rapists from due punishment or talk about the time you fisted a woman without consentcool_boy_mew likes this. -
Mong (mcmongoose@bae.st)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jul-2023 22:54:18 JST
Mong
@Moon @freemo @coolboymew @tomey
This nigga literally glows in the dark, he worked for FEMA or the NSA I'm not sure, but fuck anything he has to say. He hasn't had a good take since day 0cool_boy_mew likes this.
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