SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 29-Jul-2023 19:15:00 JST
SlicerDicerNow for the doom. This has been ongoing for over a decade. Now we had this happen and everything all the work they were doing failed. So this stuff that was supposed to be hardened and grown for high temps and co2? Apparently failed as they fucked it up. Yeah they did, there’s plenty of peer reviewed science that says this was the end result. Especially when you reduce genetic diversity.
So everything you’ve been told of climate change solutions involving the ocean? Just failed.
We have no alternative left. There is no plan B.
So, from here out? Unless we do something drastic? This account will be posting one thing of the water.
How we go extinct, along with everything else. Sorry to bring bad news but we are extinct. We will go extinct before I’m 60 and I’m 41. So like make the best use of the time you can.
It’s dark? Well too bad, I’ve been warning this was coming for over a decade. Don’t believe it’s real? Wait 20 years. Then say you’re sorry. I don’t want to hear it otherwise. I’ve heard enough people denying what’s happening. I’ve watched this shit for 33 years.
Spend the time how you think it’s important. Tell your friends what’s going on. Explain to them that we need real leaders and leadership. We need real solutions that deal with the real problems.
0.0420 to 0.0360 is all we need to do.
Do that? The ocean comes back. Don’t? Nothing resolves it. Terminal decline engaged 4ppm ago and it shows. So any hope you’ve seen of the reefs degrading then bouncing back? That? Does not happen anymore after the threshold of terminal decline.
This means into the future, you will only see damage and no hope. Don’t be scared, I’ve been living with this reality for a long time. Welcome, it’s good isn’t it? There is little reason to be scared now. Should have been a while ago when it would have mattered. The trauma to the environment here is non recoverable. Extinctions are happening already and I’m sure more happened this year.
God what a fucking mess, what a mess.
Good luck, and again you don’t believe this? That’s fine, the consequences are coming. Fast. Remember once you see the real consequences? It’s too late.
@SlicerDicer I'm curious what your thoughts are on causes. I seem to remember hearing sun screen was killing coral while back. We also have all kinds of sand mining happening on the coasts around the world which probably has an impact, but I imagine the keys are safe from too much of that.
Anyone don’t think this is real? Come out with me, I’ll show you how hard it is to find coral. How hard it is to find any even bleached coral.
Why do I only have one coral head of bleaching? Cause that’s the only one I can find… that’s not totally dead. Below is what most of what I see is. Denuded of all coral. Dissolved away just like caryfort. This was all coral when I was a kid.
@SlicerDicer > It is estimated that roughly 14,000 tons of sunscreen enters waterways across the globe every year from both sunscreen applications and wastewater runoff. In shallow areas that are popular with swimmers, significant amounts of sunscreen can accumulate in the water. Now, evidence shows it could be harming ocean life.
@SlicerDicer I'm not sure I'm understanding. Are you saying the photos and video they included are not of Australia or just that there wasn't enough photographic evidence included in the article?
@thatguyoverthere@SlicerDicer The photos they included if that’s thriving? If it was thriving it would look like what I showed. That’s all I’m saying. Hawaii has escaped the most of the damage so far. It’s in better temperatures and cleaner water. That will only last so long though.
@SlicerDicer I appreciate that you are doing this on your own without the backing of any organizations which tend to have motives beyond simply spreading awareness. It's interesting that CO2 would have that kind of impact on algae which needs it just as much as any other plant life. I imagine that while this experiment is reproducible it's far from the only way to kill off coral. I also wonder about time scales and whether or not these die offs are a completely natural phenomenon. What I mean is, If you are looking for death anywhere on earth, you are very likely to find it. The climate of earth seems somewhat cyclical and dependent on weather patterns on the sun (and probably the larger galactic neighborhood). I think increased visibility may lead us to think things are worse than they are. One thing I thought was interesting about the corals in the article is that they are not growing with the rest of the reef. The area where they were found was not known for coral previously if I am understanding correctly. That's pretty interesting considering some of these structures are hundreds of thousands or even millions of years old. How long do we expect a colony of life to stay in the same spot? Is there a chance that some kind of migration could take place?
I am no expert on anything in the ocean by any stretch of the imagination. Last time I visited the shore was in England in the early 2000s. I did have a lot of beach trips as a kid, but I haven't really had the luxury of vacation for most of my adult life, and if I do have vacation to take I'm probably more likely to go out into the woods. That said, I seem to remember there being at least a couple reports within my lifetime that the great coral reef had mass dieoff events that it seemed to recover from.
@thatguyoverthere I also am not part of any organization of any kind. I just like sharks and stuff. Like they are cool, I like spending time with them and the other marine life. I don’t make money doing this and never have. I share my photos and videos freely without charge. A lot of the time I dove alone. I had a friend I dove with in Hawaii when I didn’t. Sometimes I had to dive alone as he was having surgeries for his cancer. Like neither of us have a degree in this either way. Just marine people who know what it should be and what it is. He also use to tear up the ocean and became conservationist.
It’s not what I wanted. I grew up with commercial marine. Not like I want to see them lose their jobs. I know the consequences of that all too well. That’s why I grew up in the Florida keys and didn’t stay here. Marine laws changed and it was over. Confined to poverty and ultimately my mom was murdered. In through all that I became a conservationist. With one real goal, to raise awareness. That we need to protect these things. Once they are gone they are gone.
If you can reproduce this catastrophe in a tank in your own home? Without exception? That just means to me it’s a bad idea. That we need to spend the money to remove that co2 pressure on the marine environment. If we don’t do that? No other measure will help.
Sucks but chemistry is a pain in the ass. No one said it was easy or we would have more Walter Whites.
@thatguyoverthere@SlicerDicer What do I think causes are? Well #1 is CO2 and it’s chemistry reaction with coralline algae with Dalton’s law. That’s first and foremost. We are pushing the boundaries of causing irreversible damage globally. As in extinction of species through this. You can take a aquarium and increase the co2 partial pressure and watch the skeletons melt. This is not hard to reproduce. It’s the core problem.
Having said that? This is way too soon for this, these consequences as mentioned should be a decade out. That was my estimation. I’m on the dark side.
As you mention above sunscreen yes that’s a big big problem. So are nearshore use of insecticide that’s highly lethal. Nitrogen that comes from human sources is highly damaging. The behavior of boaters and recreational users that don’t understand the damage they cause. I don’t think they would do it on purpose. Still the damage occurs. Fishing regulations that don’t adapt based on fisheries fast enough. It’s a whole host of issues. I mean I can show you boats that have been sunk in the sanctuary for long time. They don’t remove them, it should be but they don’t. Debris from Irma is still everywhere? Why isn’t it cleaned up? I guarantee the crap left in the water that is everywhere is not helping. However that’s human based bullshit too.
At any rate less is more in this case. We need less use, less recreation and more recovery. If we did that? It would be a lot better.
Btw that coral head that has coral I shot that’s bleached? Is not at the mooring ball so less humans. That’s why there’s coral there, however it’s still roasted. That’s roasted by heat. The downside to that? It weakens and starves the coral. With that puts it at higher risk of dissolving this winter.
Incidentally dissolving and building is a natural process. The problem is when the process dissolves more than it creates. That’s when the reef goes bye bye.
@thatguyoverthere@SlicerDicer It might be, they seem two separate things. When you look into the CCD and carbonate that’s what matters. The skeletons base of the coral. If you go below the carbonate saturation depth it’s different mineralization coral.