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1. Henkka Laukka (laukanhenkka@mastodonsuomi.fi)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 19:10:31 JST Henkka Laukka

   • Aral Balkan
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   @toolbear And how does this make FF the bad guys or partners in crime? I mean, wouldn't it be even worse if they weren't around?

   Sounds to me like the bad guys are google, politicians and regulators in that example.

   @aral @davidrevoy

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 19:10:20 JST Aral Balkan

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     @laukanhenkka What would you think if Greenpeace only existed because they took half a billion dollars from ExxonMobil every year?

     If you’d be OK with that too, I have nothing more I can say.

     @toolbear @davidrevoy

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 19:34:54 JST Aral Balkan

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     @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy OK, there’s not much more I can say if you don’t feel that’s a valid comparison, then.

     If you’d like to learn more about what I feel that it is a valid comparison, here are some talks you can watch: https://ar.al/talks/ and an article you can read: https://ar.al/2019/05/02/slavery-2.0-and-how-to-avoid-it-a-practical-guide-for-cyborgs/

   • Henkka Laukka (laukanhenkka@mastodonsuomi.fi)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 19:34:56 JST Henkka Laukka

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     @aral That would be bad for sure, but Google isn't the ExxonMobil equivalent though so it doesn't really work as a comparison. Maybe if ExxonMobil funded Neste (a finnish petrol company) in that comparison it would work.

     @toolbear @davidrevoy

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 19:52:10 JST Aral Balkan

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     @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy (Any of the ones except the first and last in that list should do.) :)

   • Henkka Laukka (laukanhenkka@mastodonsuomi.fi)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 19:52:11 JST Henkka Laukka

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     @aral Thanks, I'll give it a read/watch.

     @toolbear @davidrevoy

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 20:04:22 JST Aral Balkan

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     @immibis @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy Nah, fam, you just became a Nazi.

   • immibis (immibis@social.immibis.com)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 20:04:23 JST immibis

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     @aral @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy If Adolf Hitler offers you a billion dollars, do you take it?
     
     Of course you do. Because then Adolf Hitler is a billion dollars poorer, and that's good for everyone.
   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 20:09:36 JST Aral Balkan

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     @immibis @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy Stealing from is not the same as being paid by. You can see that, right?

     (If the folks at Mozilla were stealing Google’s money, I’d be fine with it. Google and the police, probably not so much.)

   • immibis (immibis@social.immibis.com)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 20:09:37 JST immibis

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     @aral @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy do you want Hitler to lose a billion dollars or not? I assume that you have no qualms about someone breaking into Hitler's vault, or hacking his bank account, and taking a billion dollars.
   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 20:26:53 JST Aral Balkan

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     @immibis @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy Wow, man, I’m sorry but no. Just no. If that’s a trade you’re willing to make, we have nothing in common. And I’m blocking you now.

   • immibis (immibis@social.immibis.com)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 20:26:54 JST immibis

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     @aral @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy in both cases the bad guy has less money and a better guy has more.
     
     However, getting paid usually comes with some strings attached, and that's where the problem is.
     
     Still, if Hitler would give me a billion dollars in exchange for writing "Jews must die" in giant letters on my fence, I think that would be a good tradeoff. That's basically what Mozilla has to do for Google: metaphorically write "Use Google to search" on the front of its building. Hitler being poorer does much more good for the world than a sign does bad. I might be obligated to donate the whole billion to an anti-Nazi charity.