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1. cassidyclown (cassidyclown@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 21:10:41 JST cassidyclown
   Can't help the feeling that there ought to be more people on this side of fedi. There is simply no currently viable alternative to what fedi offers and yet there are so few people here.
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   • Zealous :verified: (zealous@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 21:10:40 JST Zealous :verified:

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     @cassidyclown niggas i tell to join fedi, not even cyberia but to look into fedi in general aren't interested. In their mind it hasn't been legitimised like trad social media because it doesn't have the backing of a corporation aka their surrogate father figure.
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   • NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 03:10:28 JST NEETzsche

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     I feel like there’s a nigh-supernatural element to this. People can tell that this isn’t some corporate project and so reject it out of hand. They can suss out this sort of thing and only want “legitimate” things from moneyed institutions, or bust.

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   • cassidyclown (cassidyclown@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 03:10:29 JST cassidyclown

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     @Zealous I understand normies not giving a fuck but you'd expect like ex-4channers to be interested
   • kroner :blobcatsanta: (kroner@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:46:58 JST kroner :blobcatsanta:

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     bring back small insular communities and less corporate centralized hellscapes please
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   • gray (gray@ryona.agency)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:46:59 JST gray

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     @pwm @cassidyclown @bot I agree with this take on it. The fediverse isn’t normie friendly because there is simply no middle ground.
     If you interact with the wrong person or people you get banished by the mastodongers and labeled as a nazi or fascist or whatever and that’s not appealing for anyone who wants to just be part of a community or post about their interests. And on the other hand to just be on the mastodon side you can’t just post either without conforming to all their stupid tedious bullshit.
     I think the fediverse is just too divisive and too political to appeal to the masses and I’m willing to place most of the blame on the tranny jannies of the mastofag side of the fediverse.
   • pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:46:59 JST pwm

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     @gray @cassidyclown @bot fediverse would have been a Really Fucking Big Deal 20 years ago. Now, everyone has had their brain rotted by politics to the point where they can no longer chill and be chill. AP is written so you basically never see or talk to people you don't follow, antagonistic communities should be able to exist and not overlap.
     Instead we get endless e-drama purity spirals because no one touches nearly enough grass, or has nearly enough sex to just log off for a bit when it is appropriate. It used to just be spergs but now more and more people have degenerated into every more esoteric spergery.
     Over there you're liable to tranny-janny spergery. Over here you're gonna get caught up in flavor of the month niche e-celeb cult drama, or the loli question. There's no escape, there is no casual experience, and normies want casual.
     I think that's why there's probably more normies on the mastodon side of the wall, because it is casual so long as you aren't getting your nuts kicked into your chest cavity by the tranny gestapo. That happens in few enough numbers, just under-the-radar enough that the nigger cattle tolerate the secret police terrorizing them, for the most part. Or they just go back to Twitter/Instagram et. al. which is also exactly like that, but with more people and better software (inherently increasing the value of the experience).
   • pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:47:00 JST pwm

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     @bot @cassidyclown I would argue that there is. You can't get help if your instance gets defederated from people you actually want to talk to. There's no adult to resolve it. You have to pack up and move elsewhere, you're totally fucked if you want to continue doing what you were doing. There's some illusion that you can get help on getting your account banned/suspended on e.g. twitter.
     Basically everyone is subject to the same lack of compassion or help here that only rightoid types face/faced on twitter/facebook etc.
     Turns out, no one likes that behavior being used against them, and I think that's the absence of recourse, or "safety net" so to speak, that turns off normie types.
     You can call either side of it a "safety net" I suppose, but the one that is built here is built for mastotroons to be safe, not you or I.
     To that end, I don't mind sticking around to be an annoyance when I feel the need to do a little trolling.
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   • pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:47:01 JST pwm

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     @cassidyclown I think it's the lack of a safety net.
     I suspect people can feel that there is no bottom underneath them when they are on the fediverse. The sensation of your feet dangling off the ledge is uncomfortable for people who have never been anywhere they could even see it.
     People have been socialized into being uncomfortable with what the fediverse will always be, and good fucking luck breaking that conditioning.
     I personally don't think there are any great reasons not to, that a lot of the meme rebuttals about oh what server oh feed is empty are made by people you would never convince anyway.
     But then again, I'm here, and they're not, so of course I don't see any strong objections as legitimate. You probably have to mature into being able to want the fediverse, so to speak, to develop an appetite for it. Few do, especially among those raised on contemporary, large social networks their entire online lives. I think that's why the fedi userbase tends to skew towards traditional definitions of nerd and geek, or pre-dotcom-bubble in their introduction to the web. As part of user retention, corporate social networks probably take somewhat active discourage venturing beyond, even to competitors to an extent that most users would only come here out of desperation or necessity.
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   • bot :kiwi_dumbbell: (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:47:01 JST bot :kiwi_dumbbell:

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     There isn’t a lack of safety net, which is why most of fedi can’t see us. Reminder that fedi was mostly about trannies looking for more censorship than Twitter offered, and it does a really good job of it.
   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 08:58:03 JST Rusty Crab

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     @cassidyclown @Zealous wow boomer alert
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   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 08:58:04 JST Rusty Crab

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     @cassidyclown @Zealous temporarily embarrassed millionaire attitude. For many people the entire point of social media is not to make friends but to "go viral". Despite the average user getting far more engagement here than the average twitter user, there's no chance that you will get "le meme numbers" do they go back to twitter posting to 0 followers all day and maybe once per year they'll do a banger that gets 2,000 likes.
     
     For the other half, they're looking for political drama and the only thing they want to do is dunk on some retarded take via quote tweet. For various reasons this isn't a good idea here and will typically just get you blocked by both sides for being an annoying prick.
     
     98% of people I've seen who would even be candidates for darkfedi fall into this category.
   • cassidyclown (cassidyclown@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 08:58:04 JST cassidyclown

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     @RustyCrab @Zealous b-but what about making frens :pleadhelp:
   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 09:02:14 JST Rusty Crab

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     @cassidyclown @Inginsub @Zealous it does. Given that twitter is imploding there may come a time when it becomes genuinely unusable. It's getting there rapidly. Twitter is, sadly, the least censored big tech platform at this point and the shitposters on there have nowhere else to go after it dies.
     
     The good thing is that people who do give this place a chance tend to stick around for a long time so that tells you we aren't just crazy. Given lack of options a lot of people may be forced to give it a chance.
   • cassidyclown (cassidyclown@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 09:02:15 JST cassidyclown

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     @Inginsub @RustyCrab @Zealous I guess people use discord for their "community" type socialising. Ignoring everything to do with censorship resistance etc. this has the community-feeling of a closed messaging group combined with the numbers-type gratification of twitter. I think it has a lot of potential still.
   • cassidyclown (cassidyclown@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 09:02:16 JST cassidyclown

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     @RustyCrab @Zealous I don't know. I've never been a daily poster on any social media platform ever until fedi. That's got to say something. I feel like we're just shit at marketing ourselves because there's no incentive to.
   • :ihavenomouth: (inginsub@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 09:02:16 JST :ihavenomouth:

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     @cassidyclown @RustyCrab @Zealous same actually
   • cassidyclown (cassidyclown@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 09:02:32 JST cassidyclown

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     @RustyCrab @Inginsub @Zealous I also like the non-linear conversation of threads in general. I like starting and abandoning and hopping between conversations that are often with the same people. Instant messaging typically forces a linear conversation that doesn't allow this and makes me feel awkward to start or end things. But other platforms with the same thread-like structure lack the sense of community that fedi has. I don't know - I'm trying to pin down why this clicks for me when nothing else ever has. Federation helps maintain a sense of community because even if twkn is overwhelmingly large you still have your own instance - your own "club" so to speak and others still have a tag that identifies what club they belong to and so you know them a little before you even know them really.