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1. Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@marsey.moe)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 06:56:12 JST Johnny Peligro

   in reply to

   • mist
   • CEO of Monoeye Dating
   • cinerion
   @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @ai @cinerion if a home if a family's property and they were just on a vacation -> squatters must be removed
   if the property is just obviously not used then gg
   • CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 06:56:13 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating

     • mist
     • cinerion
     @ai @cinerion I think our disagreement might boil down to the first thing: "If you own something, you should be allowed to do whatever you want with it."
     
     That's a great rule of thumb, but there's loads of things that you should be allowed to own that you shouldn't be allowed to do whatever you want with. Extreme examples include "you shouldn't be allowed to shoot innocent people with guns," but I would say that there's more subtle examples where "doing something - or not doing something - with your stuff" causes harm to other people.
     
     A famous example is that Ford bought up all the trolley lines and demolished them, forcing people to buy cars to get from place to place. It would have been better if this had been illegal - instead, we now live in a society where public transit is simply doomed.
     
     That was definitely a corporation doing something it wanted to do with its stuff, and it made huge piles of profit off of it. However, this is something that is almost uniformly condemned.
     
     On the other two issues, I think it is generally best to tackle them case by case. How much is the value of seizing this person's land and moving them elsewhere? When is someone obviously using their property in a way that harms society? These are questions with much nuance, and cannot be answered with broad strokes.