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1. Eric Eggert (yatil@toot.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 08:44:55 JST Eric Eggert

   1. Browser competition on iOS would be nice.
   2. It probably would mean that Google would release Chrome.
   3. There is a non-zero chance for Google to require Chrome when using YouTube, GMail, even Google Search.
   4. What we know about web developers is that they give a damn about browser diversity. If Google would only support one browser, cross-browser development would dwindle fast.
   5. There is little to gain and a huge risk for monoculture. It’s trading one downside with another.

   • Adrian Cochrane repeated this.
   • Eric Eggert (yatil@toot.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 08:50:43 JST Eric Eggert

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     It’s the same people arguing for more browsers on iOS all the time and when you ask them about the systemic consequences, the best response was “we’ll see what happens”. Sure, you do that.

     Show those great PWA, make the case, nobody’s adopting PWA’s on Android. The PWA that I used on macOS from Chrome did not allow for simple OS interactions. Dropping a file onto the PWA icon in the dock to open that file in the PWA? No chance.

   • Adrian Cochrane (alcinnz@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 09:28:07 JST Adrian Cochrane

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     @yatil I ended up arguing with Doctorow on this...

     I'd be happy to engage in browser competition on iOS, but the competition I'd bring is not what is being naively dreamt about!

   • Adrian Cochrane (alcinnz@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 09:36:42 JST Adrian Cochrane

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     @yatil Agreed! I'm striving to highlight those strengths the rush towards webapps lost! Sacrificing popular sites to do so.

   • Eric Eggert (yatil@toot.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 09:36:43 JST Eric Eggert

     in reply to

     • Adrian Cochrane

     @alcinnz The sad thing, from my point of view, is that we lost a lot of time making web apps things that the web is not really for and in the meantime also weakened the strengths of the web.

     Creating a website now has so much more steps than 20 years ago, everything is complicated, and we have introduced compiling for a lot of web projects.

     🤷♂️