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1. Earthshine (earthshine@hackers.town)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 05:07:40 JST Earthshine

   This one cuts deep:
   The modern condition is mostly trying to do things on your own that people have historically achieved with a large support network and wondering why you're tired all the time.

   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 05:07:37 JST LS

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     @earthshine the modern condition aka the condition of coastal big city Americans
   • Jennifer Deseo (jdeseo@toot.io)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 06:45:40 JST Jennifer Deseo

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     • LS

     @lain @earthshine It can happen in rural or inland America as well. It just might not be related to “hustle culture.” Instead, it may pertain to getting mental healthcare, paying down a debt, asking for advice on family matters, etc. US society encourages individualism.

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   • That Would Be Telling (thatwouldbetelling@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jul-2023 01:21:50 JST That Would Be Telling

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     • LS
     • Jennifer Deseo

     @jdeseo @lain @earthshine “US society encourages individualism.”

     To a degree, especially historically. Until the Irish started coming over in large numbers, we’re from Northwestern European stock and inside the Hajnal line.

     It was standard from thousands of years ago for couples to set up their own households, albeit in a context of communities that worked hard especially to store enough food for winter. This pattern was particularly strong in Scandinavia, thus their current extreme decline.

     For a very readable academic treatment of all this and how it devolved as (((others))) used our altruism and outgrouping patterns for rule breakers see Kevin MacDonald’s latest, Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition: Evolutionary Origins, History, and Prospects for the Future (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1089691483/)

     Fast forward to the colonization of America above the Rio Grande and note the huge importance of religion and churchgoing, including state churches like in Massachusetts. And how crime was handled in relatively homogeneous groups, although see Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Fischer for the major cultures that initially settled the US.

     Per Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albion%27s_Seed)

     “East Anglia to Massachusetts

     “The Exodus of the English Puritans (Pilgrims and Puritans influenced the Northeastern United States’ corporate and educational culture)

     “The South of England to Virginia

     “The Cavaliers and Indentured Servants (Gentry influenced the Southern United States’ plantation culture)

     “North Midlands to the Delaware Valley

     “The Friends’ Migration (Quakers influenced the Middle Atlantic and Midwestern United States’ industrial culture)

     “Borderlands to the Backcountry

     “The Flight from North Britain (Scotch-Irish and border English influenced the Western United States’ ranch culture and the Southern United States’ common agrarian culture)”

     Recently renamed Hajal Line article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_marriage_pattern

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