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Nick or Tate, genuinely don't know which is worse, I don't have a dog in this fight though I hope Tate kills him
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@Shadowman311
>He only says the nonoword because he's safe online.
I don't want to defend HIM, but legally, online, it's usually considered free speech. IRL, face to face insults like that is considered "fighting words" and you can legally be attacked for it in the US a lot of the time.
BTW I am actually a member of the new splinter group "fighting speech extremists", not a free speech extremists, but FSE is close enough and everyone there is cool.
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@Pyrrho @Shadowman311 also if slurs are used during an encounter that leads to assault charges, they can attach hate crime to the list.
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@diceynes @thatguyoverthere @Shadowman311
It's really fascinating how if you're not an American you often can't use online communities built around your language/culture if your opinions are considered "Hateful" and they have hate speech laws.
I'm not actually very racist, so it is interesting how more and more racist internet refugees (no offense) have slowly flooded and made traditionally American libertarian online communities their home.
Not really talking about Poa.st here perse, but in like a general, broad online sense.
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@thatguyoverthere @Pyrrho @Shadowman311 I know here in Spain they have introduced online hate crime laws and you can get a big ass fine usually but won't enter prison since the sentence is under 2 years. In the UK you can't say anything race related in insults online. I believe more and more european countries are operating with words online as a criminal offense. No need at all to say these words when there are hard economic consequences. I believe just saying the words and some protected class reading them is enough.
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Now, IDK if that really sticks if the party saying the fighting words wasn't the one to turn it physical. But I haven't really studied case law on it.
In Washington State and I think Texas, there is mutual combat laws, so there people can turn anything physical if they both want.
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@Pyrrho @Shadowman311 yeah I don't know the laws very well at all, but I just remember a fight between the proud boys and antifa a while back where some mean words were used and they were supposedly threatened with hate crimes which was reportedly the reason for Gavin leaving the group. I don't know how true any of that was and how much is just theater of course, but I think the risk could exist (at least in some places). They'd probably still have to prove it was a "hate crime" to a jury so even if it was attached it wouldn't necessarily lead to a conviction.
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@diceynes @Pyrrho @Shadowman311 yeah in the US our executive branch just coerces censorship behind the scenes while the laws still mostly seem to align with free speech principles.
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@Pyrrho @Shadowman311 @thatguyoverthere when you see people speaking all kind of shit freely about celebrities I think about Spains's strict defamation laws regarding honor harassment. If I were to say I think a celebrity's child belongs to another father online because he looks like a guy she has been with, normal American chatter my life could be ruined economically speaking. The fine could actually destroy my life it's so big here regarding defamation
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@thatguyoverthere @Pyrrho @Shadowman311 people have gone to prison for insulting the king here
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@diceynes @Pyrrho @Shadowman311 fuck that guy
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@diceynes @Shadowman311 @thatguyoverthere
I think I recall a time during the Bush ere where the UK's defamation/libel laws were so crazy that congress passed a law sort of defederating us from any lawsuits about it being filed in the UK against US citizens. Or maybe I'm misremembering it.
The UK had awful blasphemy laws since forever, and was totally fine with that terrible bullshit right up until Muslims started using it against them a few years ago, lol.
I love Brits, though.
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@Pyrrho @diceynes @Shadowman311 and we didn't rename English Muffins? :dumshake: missed opportunity
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@NailBomb @Pyrrho @Shadowman311 when he left didn't he claim there was no real leadership structure to begin with?
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He "left" because he thought it would help the case because the prosecution was effively blaming the two White guys (there were also two non-White Proid Boys being charged separately) for things Gavin had said and done. When Gaving stepping down proved ineffective, a few weeks later on his show said it was just words and that he wasn't leaving Proud Boys, he was just making room for fresh leadership.
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I listened to his old podcast show and about 3 years of FreeSpeech/Censored.tv and Gavin says a lot of contradictory stuff off handedly, but prior to the blow up over the fight, he frequently referred to himself as the leader.
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@NailBomb @Pyrrho @Shadowman311 I've only ever watched him sporadically, but the whole idea of words changing the consequences of a fight in America kinda stuck in my head.
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@thatguyoverthere @diceynes @Shadowman311
Yeah, in the US we can't really LOSE any of our freedoms, but every now and then congress or the president passes what I consider a "Bad check law" temporarily taking them away.
You know, like if you write a check but the account has no money in it, it can take some time be before it bounces.
The worst, though, is if too many liberal (or in theory conservative) supreme court judges decide congress is at a deadlock and there's some social issue that needs to be addressed they pass a jury nullification type ruling "for the greater good" until congress "catches up".
But Obama's admin had the chance and didn't even pass a law permitting abortion nationwide, so that check bounced, recently.
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@thatguyoverthere @NailBomb @Shadowman311
If you could get an intellectually honest trial then saying "I hate niggers!" or "I am sick of all of you niggers!" would not get counted as fighting words, but just yelling "Nigger!" Or "You're a nigger!" would. One is an offensive opinion, the other is an insult.
But Derek Chauvin's trial has shown that sometimes the mob craves blood, and the law goes out the window.
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@thatguyoverthere @Pyrrho @diceynes @Shadowman311 Re-rename. They're just called muffins.
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That's all bullshit pushed by jews but whenever a feral african attacks someone and it makes twitter or other media, all the shitlibs and other africans try and justify what they did by accusing them of saying the "N-word" (nigger) and bringing it upon themselves.
Like it's their fault that they have no self control and a simple word sets them off. Anyway, it's almost never the case that they said it anyways and even if they did, that's no reason to justify their violent actions.
I guess if that's the case though then all the violence in Chicago is justified since they all call each other nigger or nigga all the time, right?
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@Pyrrho @Shadowman311 @thatguyoverthere In Spain the fine for saying a celebrity isn't the actual father could be around 200 000 US dollars around 200 000 euros
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