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1. luithe (luithe@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 14:03:38 JST luithe
   Everytime you see a euro making fun of gun laws in the us
   Make sure to remind them of this
   https://invidious.varishangout.net/watch?v=2xhgpU8DI9c
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   • LoliHat (lolihat@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 14:06:25 JST LoliHat

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   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 14:47:10 JST Meemoo

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     @luithe seeing protesters with guns is a thing of beauty
     
     I wonder why they aren't storming govt buildings instead of burning down local shops :reimu_sigh:
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   • LoliHat (lolihat@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 14:55:14 JST LoliHat

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     @Meemoo @luithe
     
     >seeing protesters with guns is a thing of beauty
     
     Even if it's legal to carry, it's a bad idea to protest while armed. If anything goes wrong you want to be seen as the victim and not the aggressor. Just make sure that the raw footage is live-streamed or rapidly uploaded. Optics matter.
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   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 14:55:14 JST Meemoo

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     @LoliHat @luithe they should be seen as the victim while protesting so that if anything goes wrong they can be helped by uhhhhh.... Wait, what do you mean it's the govt that's the enemy?
     And what do you mean they've been protesting unarmed for years without any results?
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   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:07:05 JST Meemoo

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     @LoliHat @luithe I mean
     
     Is there really anything more the protesters need to do to convince the people the protests are justified?
     
     The cops have just killed a 17 year old boy for a trafficking violation and everyone in general doesn't like Macron as a leader because of his policies.
     
     What else can they really do beyond this?
     It's easy to talk tough at the comfort of one's home but what would you do in their position?
   • LoliHat (lolihat@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:07:06 JST LoliHat

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     @Meemoo @luithe
     
     Optics matter.
     
     The truth doesn't; just the perception of the truth does.
     
     Call it what you will (PsyOps, Kabuki theater, &c.), but the message people digest from the protest/riot is more important than the protest/riot itself.
   • Totally not suspicious Minty (minty@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:15:56 JST Totally not suspicious Minty

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     @luithe if someone's gonna break the law with a gun then they are going to be more than willing to break the law to get one I don't understand how people don't get this :what:
     
     "This man wants to go on a shooting spree but surely if I tell him he can't have a gun he'll listen" - :gura_dum:
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   • supersid (supersid333@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:15:59 JST supersid

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     @luithe Almost as if banning guns creates a market for illegal firearms. Even more fun since the UN pumped comical amounts of money and equipment into the Black Market with this war.
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   • LoliHat (lolihat@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:16:23 JST LoliHat

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     @Minty @luithe
     
     Criminals, by definition, obey the law.
     
     / sarcasm
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   • :soy1: AstolfoCockVore :soy2: :megumin_love: (astolfocockvore@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:16:29 JST :soy1: AstolfoCockVore :soy2: :megumin_love:

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     @Minty @luithe surely criminals will use legally purchased firearms with their names and addresses tied to them :jahy_smart:
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   • verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:16:33 JST verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko:

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     2xhgpU8DI9c_France_Rioters_Brandish_Military_G.mp4
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   • LoliHat (lolihat@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:16:53 JST LoliHat

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     @Meemoo @luithe
     
     >I wonder why they aren't storming govt buildings instead of burning down local shops
     
     It's not the bureaucrats they hate, it's the Western society they wish to (help) destroy.
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   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:24:48 JST Meemoo

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     @LoliHat @luithe what are you even arguing here? :hyperconfused:
     
     This whole thread has been:
     
     >Gun rights are good
     > However, you can't use them for protests under an authoritarian government
     >Cops are bad
     > But I believe them over the protesters
     >What should they do then?
     > Uhhh Muslim rapists or some shit lol
   • LoliHat (lolihat@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:24:49 JST LoliHat

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     @Meemoo @luithe
     
     >Is there really anything more the protesters need to do to convince the people the protests are justified?
     
     Being a menace to innocent people certainly does the opposite. That the protesters/rioters think smashing the "system" is how to gain support is telling.
     
     >The cops have just killed a 17 year old boy for a trafficking violation and everyone in general doesn't like Macron as a leader because of his policies.
     
     As much I know not to trust cops, I've seen too many false accusations (*cough*cough*Ferguson*cough*cough) to blindly trust the other side.
     
     >What else can they really do beyond this?
     >It's easy to talk tough at the comfort of one's home but what would you do in their position?
     
     You can do quite a lot in lieu of rioting. Just look at what the Muslim Rape Gangs in the U.K. can get away with because they learned how to play ball and play ball better than the natives.
   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:44:22 JST Meemoo

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     @LoliHat @luithe >If it is an authoritarian government that need to be overthrown, then protests really aren't going to do shit. If it isn't an authoritarian government that necessitates immediate overthrow, then carrying weapons makes it easy to paint you as the danger that needs to be crushed.
     
     One of the main reasons why people in France are so upset with Macron is because he's been sabotaging their democratic processes by using his authority to veto laws that got struck down by council votes. That's why I consider his ruling to be authoritarian and undemocratic
     
     
     >My rule of thumb is that if there is an incident between the police and someone else that leads to riots, there's a very, very good chance that the police were justified and the incident is being used by race hustling poverty pimps.
     
     Cops haven't provided any evidence to prove their actions were justified, while the dead boy is out there for all to see and serve as proof of their misdeeds. Automatically assuming one side is correct despite lack of evidence would be dangerously foolish
     
     
     >Learn to play political ball and become a requisite political faction.
     
     Pretty hard to do when democracy is being undermined like in point 1
   • LoliHat (lolihat@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:44:23 JST LoliHat

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     @Meemoo @luithe
     
     >Gun rights are good
     
     :pillow_yes:
     
     > However, you can't use them for protests under an authoritarian government
     
     If it is an authoritarian government that need to be overthrown, then protests really aren't going to do shit. If it isn't an authoritarian government that necessitates immediate overthrow, then carrying weapons makes it easy to paint you as the danger that needs to be crushed.
     
     >Cops are bad
     
     Police can be useful, or they can be the opposite.
     
     > But I believe them over the protesters
     
     My rule of thumb is that if there is an incident between the police and someone else that leads to riots, there's a very, very good chance that the police were justified and the incident is being used by race hustling poverty pimps.
     
     >What should they do then?
     
     Learn to play political ball and become a requisite political faction.
     
     > Uhhh Muslim rapists or some shit lol
     
     Just case in point of getting power without throwing violent temper tantrums.
   • luithe (luithe@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:46:01 JST luithe

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     @Meemoo @LoliHat meh it was a rapefugee
     Nigger got into high speed chase and almost ran over a mother with her child and an old person and proceeded to resist arrest multiple times like niggers always do in the us
   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:47:15 JST Meemoo

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     @luithe @LoliHat is there footage of this?
     
     I need to know more context on this
   • :tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:55:58 JST :tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab:

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     @Meemoo @LoliHat @luithe Shit is happening all europe. Over here their in the process of making a law to ban political parties. In other words banning any party that opposes WEF agenda. Their also trying to get rid the first parliament which would give them absolute power.
     The most hated prime minister in this countries history also just so happens to keep "winning" elections.
     
     Western Europe's "democracy" is a joke.
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   • luithe (luithe@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:57:12 JST luithe

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     @Meemoo @LoliHat all major news sites show the end of the video, but I can't find the rest of the video they cut out where he's driving manically
   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:59:02 JST Meemoo

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     @LoliHat @luithe
     >Not going to pretend to understand the particularities of modern day French politics, but I'm not sure how canceling already struck down laws is authoritarian if is fits with the law in effect?
     
     In this case, it was to actually enact the law. I'm not sure why the news headlines used "veto* in this case, but it's the raising the age of retirement thing which I'm sure you might've heard of. Basically France gives prime ministers the ability to bypass council and enact laws, this was originally made for situations of absolute emergency, but Macron used it nilly-willy.
     
     
     >Sounds like a cultural difference. If the usual suspects of the Left start complaining in the U.S., it's an easy bet that there wasn't an actual problem and they just need an excuse to raise money and grift.
     
     I will concede on this point until I learn more about the situation, because if the boy was indeed resisting arrest, then I would stand corrected.
   • LoliHat (lolihat@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:59:03 JST LoliHat

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     @Meemoo @luithe
     
     >One of the main reasons why people in France are so upset with Macron is because he's been sabotaging their democratic processes by using his authority to veto laws that got struck down by council votes. That's why I consider his ruling to be authoritarian and undemocratic
     
     Not going to pretend to understand the particularities of modern day French politics, but I'm not sure how canceling already struck down laws is authoritarian if is fits with the law in effect?
     
     My interest is piqued, though.
     
     >Cops haven't provided any evidence to prove their actions were justified, while the dead boy is out there for all to see and serve as proof of their misdeeds. Automatically assuming one side is correct despite lack of evidence would be dangerously foolish
     
     Sounds like a cultural difference. If the usual suspects of the Left start complaining in the U.S., it's an easy bet that there wasn't an actual problem and they just need an excuse to raise money and grift.
     
     >Pretty hard to do when democracy is being undermined like in point 1
     
     As noted, there are counterpoints to support the opposite.
   • luithe (luithe@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 15:59:15 JST luithe

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     @Tamamo @Meemoo @LoliHat this is why I endlessly make fun of Europeans who think banning guns is good or letting crime run rampant is good
     Like that worked for Latin america :awoo_depressed2:
   • weissrespecter (weissrespecter@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 16:02:02 JST weissrespecter

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     @Meemoo @LoliHat @luithe As far as I know and from the video I saw of the actual shooting, he was in a car and refused to stop for police. When the chase ended and the cops had the guy at gunpoint with one of them having his arms braced inside the car window, he floored it trying to get away and dragged the cop for a few feet before the cop fired.
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     @Tamamo @Meemoo @luithe
     
     >Western Europe's "democracy" is a joke.
     
     In a way, it was too much "democracy" that led to the current state of affairs. "Democracy" abolished the old and declared that the new was inviolate could not be overthrown by future democratic action.
     
     It turns out that what Europe faced wasn't Democracy... but elitists who used "democracy" to install their vision and then declare that anything they didn't like was against their so-called "universal values".
     
     It's basically the non-Anglo version of "1984".
     
     P.S. Nuke Brussels.
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   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 16:06:04 JST Meemoo

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     @weissrespecter @LoliHat @luithe do you still have the video?
     
     I'm being skeptical here because both sides of the spectrum are claiming different things in regards to the incident.
   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 16:12:15 JST Meemoo

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     @LoliHat @luithe
     
     >Oh, that law. No sympathy for anyone whining over that.
     
     while there are people whining over it, what most frenchies are protesting against was the way it was enacted.
     had it been properly voted into law, then most would've accepted it without issue, but Macron's abuse of his authority is what flared up the protests
     
     that's what the frenchies are saying afaik .
   • LoliHat (lolihat@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 16:12:16 JST LoliHat

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     @Meemoo @luithe
     
     >In this case, it was to actually enact the law. I'm not sure why the news headlines used "veto* in this case, but it's the raising the age of retirement thing which I'm sure you might've heard of.
     
     Oh, that law. No sympathy for anyone whining over that.
     
     >I will concede on this point until I learn more about the situation, because if the boy was indeed resisting arrest, then I would stand corrected.
     
     Fair point.
   • weissrespecter (weissrespecter@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 16:15:25 JST weissrespecter

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     @Meemoo @LoliHat @luithe The first few seconds of this video are the clip I was referring to. I can't find video of what happened to lead up to this though, but considering he's at gunpoint for a traffic stop I can't imagine he was acting reasonably. Honestly from the way the cop moves and the timing of the gunshot I wouldn't even be surprised if he ND'd because of the surprise and his arms being pushed by the car.
     
     https://invidious.varishangout.net/watch?v=YSfcLfoNkFk
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   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 16:18:57 JST Meemoo

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     @weissrespecter @LoliHat @luithe
     yeah the guy sped up while at gunpoint and cop probably fired out of shock
     
     also seems the case IS being handled by authorities.
     
     I stand corrected on this.
   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 16:22:24 JST Meemoo

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     @LoliHat @luithe the nature of the law and the context of it's use is what people took issue with.
     
     it would be like if the US had a similar authority, and a US president banned the rights to bear arms despite the law being denied at congress/supreme court
     
     sure it would be legal, but it wouldn't set right with the population.
   • LoliHat (lolihat@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 16:22:25 JST LoliHat

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     >what most frenchies are protesting against was the way it was enacted.
     
     Skeptical.
     
     If it happened according to the law, then that is that.
     
     Unless there was a violation of the law, then why would there be violence?
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     @LoliHat @Meemoo @luithe quite a few things I doubt are so simple. plenty of examples of abuse of laws in the US. also plenty of examples of legal grey areas being taken maximum advantage of
     
     remember that time that obama ordered bombing for nearly a month without a declaration of war?
     
     I was unclear why the french PM had the ability to do what he did but couldn't be bothered to look into the history of the french governmental system
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   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 16:35:23 JST Meemoo

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     @LoliHat @luithe you seem to really like this Macron guy and agree with his actions. I don't see the need to elaborate further since I doubt anything could change your opinion anyway :zt_shrug:
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     @Meemoo @luithe
     
     >the nature of the law and the context of it's use is what people took issue with.
     
     Do tell about the particularities. I doubt I'd agree, but still...
     
     >it would be like if the US had a similar authority, and a US president banned the rights to bear arms despite the law being denied at congress/supreme court
     
     Ah, that's one of those cultural differences.
     
     >sure it would be legal, but it wouldn't sit right with the populous .
     
     That almost seems contradictory.
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     @weissrespecter @Meemoo @LoliHat @luithe Seems like a reasonable use of deadly force to me desu, people often forget how dangerous cars are and that they can be used as deadly weapons. But then again I'm not familiar with how the French operate :shrug:
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