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1. minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:09:52 JST minute

   we're working on a new casual/beginner-friendly alternative to the sway tiling desktop for MNT Reform and Pocket Reform based on wayfire, sfwbar and nwggrid. what do you think?

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:23:49 JST minute

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     • soweli Niko, Queer of Pastries

     @nihilazo their compositors are too heavy/glitch/unstable on the platform

   • soweli Niko, Queer of Pastries (nihilazo@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:23:50 JST soweli Niko, Queer of Pastries

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     @mntmn I'm going to be That Guy that asks the question and I don't mean to be That Guy but it's a question that needs to be asked.

     Why not just ship with plasma/gnome/another standard DE?

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:24:07 JST minute

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     • Esther, an actual photographer

     @esther like this

   • Esther, an actual photographer (esther@strangeobject.space)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:24:08 JST Esther, an actual photographer

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     @mntmn what does it look like usually?

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:24:17 JST minute

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     • soweli Niko, Queer of Pastries

     @nihilazo that said, we do ship GNOME and KDE

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:25:54 JST minute

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     • soweli Niko, Queer of Pastries

     @nihilazo and both of these DEs are too complex for one person (like me) to debug/patch. wayfire on the other hand is quite simple, based on the stable wlroots and the other components are like lego on top

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:27:08 JST minute

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     • soweli Niko, Queer of Pastries

     @nihilazo ideal would be if xfce4 was already running on wayland, but it doesn't.

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:34:31 JST minute

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     • lina

     @lina we only really support things that work with wayland, as X is abandonware. but i think there's something like dwm now. we usually ship sway which is fast and minimal

   • lina (lina@uwu.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:34:32 JST lina

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     @mntmn nice, it looks okay
     I would like to see how dwm would look like on the Pocket, sometimes the most simple suckless stuff is all you need
     Also the performance will be better on dwm than on kde/gnome as it's just a tiling wm

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:39:09 JST minute

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     • lina

     @lina oh nice https://github.com/djpohly/dwl

   • lina (lina@uwu.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:39:10 JST lina

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     @mntmn yea that's the worse thing about dwm

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:49:14 JST minute

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     • Esther, an actual photographer

     @esther yeah, i haven't tested this on pocket yet; that'll need adjustment

   • Esther, an actual photographer (esther@strangeobject.space)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:49:15 JST Esther, an actual photographer

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     @mntmn hm, having not actually seen the pocket’s screen in person, I feel like the more visual design could be a bit too much clutter for such a small space

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 09:41:54 JST minute

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     • Vagrant Cascadian

     @vagrantc we will still ship sway as a default for people who feel comfortable with tiling and keyboard shortcuts. the customized wayfire DE is basically a stand-in for something like xfce4, which is not yet available for wayland. gnome and kde are imho too complex for low-power machines.

   • Vagrant Cascadian (vagrantc@floss.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 09:41:55 JST Vagrant Cascadian

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     @mntmn

     Been using #i3 and lately #Sway for years, which mostly work fine for me, though currently exploring switching out bits of my desktop environment, so curious to see how this develops!

     Given the sheer number of desktop environments out there, what are the main goals of this new one that might set it apart?

     I noticed wayfire is already packaged in #Debian, but I do not see sfwbar or nwggrid. I don't see any of these packages in #Guix

     ...Packaging is, of course, fixable. :)