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https://twitter.com/Parvenu62/status/1674019247180111874 The War on the Ideal is the culmination of leftism itself. Equality means not only levelling everyone out, but universally killing all aspiration for higher things.
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100%. A good dark fantasy will insert just enough morbidity to shake off the cliché "fairy tale" vibe that a lot of fantasy has, but not to the point of gratuity, but as a contrast to make the bright moments stand out all the more.
But hollywood kikes and their imitators have no imagination or subtlety so when they do it it's just "life sucks, there are no heroes, everybody dies, fuck you"
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@ArdainianRight I think if the story is somewhat dark, there needs to be *some* sadness within the ending to essentially honor that, otherwise the tonal whiplash will make the ending feel unearned and inauthentic. However, the ending on the whole can still (and often should be) happy. Majora's Mask is a great example - almost the entire ending is basically one big celebration, but near the very end, there is a harsh reminder that there were some people you just couldn't save. That works, and it validates all the HAPPY characters endings that you *were* able to bring about.
A straight up Unhappy Ending rarely works outside of maybe Horror. The Akatsuki No Requiem ending to AoT *could* have worked (and would have been far superior to what we got regardless), because in a Camp of the Saints scenario there can be no truly happy ending, only horrors committed to avert greater horrors. And more light-hearted stories should pretty much NEVER pull unhappy endings. That shit 100% ruined Dragon Ball Super's Future Trunks arc, because Toriyama is a fucking hack who'd rather destroy a universe than allow someone other that Goku or Gohan to save the day.
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@ChristiJunior It depends a lot on how things are handled. Faust is an example of a story that can only end badly. Wishbone Bowlderizing it to make it happy to not scare the kids completely ruined the whole point of the story.
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Solution approach during rise of civilization: overcome challenges
Solution approach during fall of civilization: reduce quality of life
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@ChristiJunior @ArdainianRight Dark stories can be beautiful, its the hero's struggle in the face of the impossible that I find inspiring, personally. To me, a hero story isn't complete unless he dies at the end. We all die at the end, but the human spirit rages against the dying of the light nonetheless. That's why I liked the ending to AOT.
"My soldiers do not buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world! My soldiers push forward! My soldiers scream out! My soldiers rage!"
Fairytales can be fun but we live in a dark story. Heroes bring light into the darkness, but there has to be darkness.
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@monsterislandcolonizer @ChristiJunior @ArdainianRight Elden Ring and Dark Souls are both great examples of modern dark stories.
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@William_The_Dragonborn @ChristiJunior @monsterislandcolonizer I feel like dark stories shouldn't be pointlessly dark though, where someone does everything right and has absolutely nothing to show for it, not even a glimmer of hope. Horror stories work, cautionary tales work, but anyone who believes in a just God and an afterlife cannot truly embrace a full downer ending where a genuinely good person gets crushed but receives no salvation nor redemption as reward for their deeds.
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@ArdainianRight @William_The_Dragonborn @ChristiJunior Story has to be metaphysically consistent imo
Eren does everything right but his friends betray him, so the Eldians are destroyed.