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1. Owen (spoopy aspect) (owen@mastodon.transneptune.net)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 22:52:05 JST Owen (spoopy aspect)

   Something to keep in mind when hearing about hydrogen as a renewable or green fuel is that nearly half of hydrogen production, worldwide, comes from natural gas. Another 45% or so come from coal and oil sources. Renewable hydrogen - electrolysis, generally - is basically a blip.

   Hydrogen is, in many cases, an attempt _by the fossil fuels industry_ to carry on business as usual in the face of carbon-reduction initiatives by putting the carbonaceous parts out of sight.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 22:51:53 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @owen you mean hydrocarbons have hydrogeeen in them? :shocked:
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 22:55:12 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @owen https://www.pnnl.gov/news-media/new-clean-energy-process-converts-methane-hydrogen-zero-carbon-dioxide-emissions this is interesting (methane is relatively easy to produce and doesn't require petroleum)
   • Danielle Foré (danirabbit@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 22:55:50 JST Danielle Foré

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     @owen Something else I don’t hear people mentioning enough is that hydrogen also slots in “nicely” with fossil fuels in regards to centralized production, requiring transportation infrastructure, refueling stations, etc. You can’t make hydrogen in your own house. It keeps energy centralized and scarce and profitable

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   • Owen (spoopy aspect) (owen@mastodon.transneptune.net)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 22:55:51 JST Owen (spoopy aspect)

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     Steam reforming and other techniques for squeezing hydrogen out of fossil fuels aren't worthless; one of the outputs of steam reformed methane is longer-chain hydrocarbons, for example, which are useful. (It also kicks out a lot of carbon mon- and dioxide.)

     However, hydrogen as a platform won't solve the problem of being dependent on fossil fuels within the foreseeable future.