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1. iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 03:18:13 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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   • Aven
   @galena @aven @newt i think aven takes the position thats crony capitalism, though, and "real capitalism" they would .. get bored of buying startups or something.
   
   i don't think that's true. MS doesn't benefit from government protecting them from startups. MS benefits from being exempted from anti-trust law.
   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 03:24:19 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     • Aven
     @newt @galena @aven there are industries where the government quite literally prevents you from starting up new businesses in the industry. such as with medicine where there are millions of dollars of fees and special approvals by boards staffed with pfizer employees required.
     
     this is just some tired pirate party line about copyright. its hardly the government stopping you from writing a new OS. the other case, however, actually doe stop you from just making a new drug.
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     • Aven
     @icedquinn @galena @aven you're just proving my point for me. The entire business model of Microsoft with regards to selling Windows relies in a huge part on government protection and enforcement of copyright laws, unlike what you wrote here https://blob.cat/objects/86745364-05c0-4940-93d5-99859318c2ab
   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 03:24:21 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     • Aven
     @newt @galena @aven copyright only grants a monopoly to minting new copies. right of first sale dictates once you sell it, that's it. you lose control over it.
     
     so yes, you should be able to buy and modify as many copies of windows as you want. just not print new ones.
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     • Aven
     @icedquinn @galena @aven is this a "you wouldn't download a car" kind of argument? Because I absolutely would.
     
     When I buy a chair, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to deconstruct it and make new chairs with the same design. Or maybe slightly altered for more comfyness. Why should a copy of Windows be any different? And if Microsoft isn't willing to supply the market with version of Windows without Cortana or telemetry, given that there is an existing demand, there is literally no reason why nobody else shouldn't do this in their stead.
   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 03:24:23 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     • Aven
     @newt @galena @aven because copyright has to deal with exclusive access to producing new copies. the linux developers discarded that right deliberately.
     
     now if you were making hackintoshes with purchased copies of the OS, and selling the device, and Apple got the government to stop that, which kinda did happen, i would agree that's no good (right of first sale and all that; you didn't violate the right to *copy*)
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     • Aven
     @icedquinn @galena @aven why not? You can sell repackaged L'Eunuchs. How is Windooz any different?
   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 03:24:25 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     • Aven
     @newt @galena @aven i mean.
     yes, you can't just make copies of other people's software to sell? and i'm not entirely sure if that's a bad thing [in a world where we are going to have people sell software (which we probably shouldn't do)]
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     • Aven
     @icedquinn @galena @aven no, you don't understand. What I mean is literally taking a copy of Windows, stripping crap from it, adding good stuff, and re-selling it.
   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 03:24:27 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     • Aven
     @newt @galena @aven what
     nothing stops you from doing literally this
     
     nobody would BUY it, though. i mean Be literally did exactly this and got ripped by MS' OEM pricing scam.
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     • Aven
     @icedquinn @galena @aven
     >i don't think that's true. MS doesn't benefit from government protecting them from startups.
     
     You're so wrong. Imagine a startup selling better re-packaged version of Windows without tracking, AI garbage, and other crap. And with proper support. Right now this is impossible precisely due to government protection.
     xianc78 likes this.
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     • Aven
     @icedquinn @galena @aven sooo... what does this have to do with Microsoft exactly?