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1. PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 03:25:01 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
   I think people are angry about blocking Meta for the wrong reasons. Everyone is concerned about datamining or FB EEEing the protocol, but nobody is concerned about FB just making it so you have to follow their rules to federate with them and having to fill out some form to get unblocked.
   
   You know, like gmail does.
   https://cfenollosa.com/blog/after-self-hosting-my-email-for-twenty-three-years-i-have-thrown-in-the-towel-the-oligopoly-has-won.html
   
   What makes you think FB won't because of "hate speech" or "spam" or something. There are already people adjacent to big tech who see the fedi this way, including one group launching their own fedi instance:
   https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/fellow-research-decentralized-web-hate/
   
   #fediblock #fedipact
   • Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 03:25:00 JST Mr. Bacon

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     Even if they do make it that way just don’t federate with them? Fuck their forms.
     
     I just don’t see where preemptively defederating meta solves any of those problems.
     
     I’m personally going to wait and see what happens. I’d rather see what they are up to before just mass defederating them…
     
     Like this guy with the email hosting said, them just making it impossible to use the network is probably the biggest concern, however whether or not you block them - this is still going to happen.
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 03:28:54 JST xianc78

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     • Mr. Bacon

     @Tony @PurpCat We just need the vast majority of instances not to comply with any rules that Meta enforces while also encouraging anyone who is interested in the Fedi to use any instance other than Meta's. Meta will either be forced to drop their shitty demands or drop their instance all together.

   • Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 03:37:16 JST Mr. Bacon

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     • xianc78
     See now that makes sense. 👍🏻
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 03:37:16 JST xianc78

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     • Mr. Bacon

     @Tony @PurpCat Another thing to keep in mind is that when Gab federated with ActivityPub, a lot of people ended up jumping ship to other instances like FSE because they realized how much of a better experience it was on there. The same could be said with Meta. And before you screech "muh normies" just remember that a lot of us on here used to be one of them before getting into things like the FOSS movement, GamerGate, or what have you.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 03:46:30 JST xianc78

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     • Mr. Bacon

     @Tony @PurpCat The Fedi started out with mostly FOSS enthusiasts, libertarian-learning people, and even some socialists (non-idpol types). Then Mastodon tried to brand it as it's own and called it "Twitter without the Nazis". Then, Gab refugees and later Poast brought the "far-right/third-position" culture on here (though there were a few even before then).

     The fedi doesn't really have a set in stone culture. You have racist anons talking about the JQ, people who like to shitpost and post porn, tech-enthusiasts, and even people who are otherwise normies, but just hate big-tech. It's just the whole blocking culture (even the racists anons will block people they disagree with) keeps everyone fragmented and stuck inside their own little bubble.

   • Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 03:46:31 JST Mr. Bacon

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     • xianc78
     Yah, I am just not familiar with the history. Still learning…
     
     It seems to me as long as people understand their options, if meta is too obnoxious, people will just jump ship.
     
     But again, I’m new to the history of fedi so probably wrong 😅
   • PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 13:25:05 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)

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     • Mr. Bacon
     There was also Pawoo and the Japanese instances that boomed around that time bringing in JP speakers to the point they made their own homegrown instance software (Misskey)
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