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1. kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 02:15:33 JST kaia
   * children's book with Stable Diffusion: everyone's doing it already
   * another self help book: mine sell like shit so far
   * YouTube or Streaming: lots of constant work, don't wanna dox myself
   * online courses: I may not make psych courses before I finish. NLP courses everyone and their dog already does
   * selling handcrafted items is not passive enough
   * writing blogs or whatever makes no money today
   * tech reviews: would be cute like the Thinkpad lady, but I lack the funds, expertise, equipment, connection and audience
   * being a presenter / moderator: did that twice now and it was barely worth it.
   * voiceover stuff: barely pays
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 02:26:12 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @mangeurdenuage @kaia soap is easy to make. It's harder to make a living selling it. I make soap for my own use and as gifts for family, but I haven't really had the time to try and get it on shelves. I have talked to one store owner who seems open to it, but then you need to get into branding and labeling in order to be recognizable. I think I could probably find about 5 or 6 shops around here if I really looked that would even carry it. You can sell online, but you're either going to need to run your store somewhere like Etsy or Ebay, or you're going to have all of the challenges of getting a website of your own online and discovered by others (more branding fun).
     
     Making soap is definitely easy and I would never discourage anyone from doing it, but as a primary business it seems cumbersome without a ton of profit to be gained once you account for time and materials. I still want to try and sell some soap just as a supplement to other income streams, but I don't think I can ever expect to rely on it as part of my income.
     
     That actually brings up a good point though. You don't need a single stream of income. Right now I mainly rely on wages, but I have been considering trying a few other things out to add to it and maybe make me a little less dependent on j.o.b. money.
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 02:26:13 JST mangeurdenuage

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     >selling handcrafted items is not passive enough
     Soap is possibly the easiest one of the all imo. You only need to read a bit about chemistry/human health.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 03:40:55 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Dookie
     @dookie @kaia @mangeurdenuage I don't know if that's the same thing. I think you can buy pretty much anything from china and make a profit reselling/relabeling it.
   • Dookie (dookie@mas.gizode.com)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 03:40:56 JST Dookie

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     @thatguyoverthere @kaia @mangeurdenuage dr squatch did it. they just buy pallets of soap from china and repackage it

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 04:18:01 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • mangeurdenuage
     @mangeurdenuage @kaia yeah I don't think cold process is all that unique, but I agree the soap is excellent (I use animal fats in mine too). I think if you could use all local ingredients that might be a bit more of a selling point for some people, but any craft bar you find is likely to be cold process (at least around me) so it's not really a stand out feature. One local soap maker I know makes "vegan" soaps so that's a niche that is working nicely for her, but I think we probably don't need two vegan soap makers around here. I also know a guy that was selling soap made from bear fat for a while (probably my favorite soap of all time), but I don't know if that was something he had regular access to or if it was more of a situation where he had to dispatch a bear on his farm and used the fat to make some soap.
     
     I think the only way to make money with soap is going to be to target a niche outside of just "good soap", and regardless of what you do if you plan to sell in brick and mortar stores you're going to need some kind of recognizable label and brand name if you want people to buy your soap more than once.
     
     When I was a kid, there was a small store that sold home made soap, and you actually cut your own bar which I thought was neat. If you ran your own store you could always do something like that, but you need a lot more than soap to fill a store. It would work for a booth at a farmers market or something though.
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 04:18:02 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @thatguyoverthere @kaia
     There's a lot that one can point out to distinguish themselves, the easiest imo is still cold soap, it's the most economic/profitable solution as well as the highest healthy/quality soap you can do with only vegetable oils.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 04:18:38 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @mangeurdenuage @dookie @kaia :axosick: I forgot about gutter oil
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 04:18:39 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @thatguyoverthere @dookie @kaia To the expense of human life.jpg who rembers gutter oils ? I rember. Maybe their soap is made from that extremely carcinogenic fat.
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 04:18:46 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @dookie @thatguyoverthere @kaia That's notably why I don't trust soap makers but myself these days.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 04:25:40 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • mangeurdenuage
     @mangeurdenuage @kaia do you mean 99% of soap on the market is cold process soaps or that 99% of the time people use other methods to make soap?
     
     I am saying that at least where I live, cold process soaps are what you tend to find when you look at local stores for soap. I know that if you go to craft stores you don't find much in the way of cold process supplies. Mostly they just have melt and pour type stuff, but I don't think anyone is fooling themselves into thinking those are good soaps worthy of sale (at least not that I've seen).
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 04:25:41 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @thatguyoverthere @kaia
     > I don't think cold process is all that unique
     It's like 99% of the market. In france at least. Places like France there's very few people who actually do it themselves, just in my region there's only one and she does it to avoid wasting the milk of her Mares.
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   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 06:27:55 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @thatguyoverthere @kaia
     >or that 99% of the time people use other methods to make soap?
     This.
     And by people I mean industrial factories.
     
     >cold process soaps are what you tend to find when you look at local stores for soap.
     I see, sadly not my case here.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 06:27:55 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • mangeurdenuage
     @mangeurdenuage @kaia well perhaps we mean different things by local store. I don't mean the Walmart or Eagle/Giant/Whatever that is in my local area. I mean like the coffee shop that is run by a long time local who sells things like soap, books, and snacks from local businesses either that don't have their own store front or that sell their coffee and chocolate in return.
     
     There aren't many of these types of businesses around (although there are enough that you can satisfy most needs through local businesses). They are far outnumbered by corporations that sell soaps using whatever industrial methods are used to make soaps.
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:13:57 JST LS

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     • cell
     @grillchen @kaia @cell everybody non-gangsta until they have to pay taxes
   • cell (cell@pl.ebin.zone)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:13:59 JST cell

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     @kaia @grillchen don’t worry, under the table thing, plus if you don’t report the income it isn’t taxable and you get to help people all across the world (and lose your license)
   • grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:13:59 JST grillchen

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     @cell @kaia
     
     > if you don’t report the income it isn’t taxable
     
     banks will snitch. she would have use crypto and do very shady money laundering. im in
   • kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:14:00 JST kaia

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     @grillchen probably is illegal :OhGod:
   • grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:14:01 JST grillchen

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     @kaia is it illegal for u to offer therapy to non eu peeps? asking for half of fedi.
   • elicin (elicin@annihilation.social)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:16:39 JST elicin

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     • grillchen
     There are a lot of grifters in the scene and no real way to redeem or use that currency in any meaningful way.
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:16:39 JST LS

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     • elicin
     @elicin @grillchen i can literally go down the street and exchange btc/eth to fiat money, or buy a house with it.
   • grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:16:40 JST grillchen

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     • elicin
     @elicin why would it?
   • elicin (elicin@annihilation.social)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:16:41 JST elicin

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     • grillchen
     Cryptographically signed monopoly money surely isn't going to cause further financial trouble.
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:17:53 JST LS

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     • cell
     @grillchen @kaia @cell no need to evade, just move.
   • grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:17:54 JST grillchen

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     • cell
     @lain @kaia @cell lains tax evasion service when?
   • grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:20:59 JST grillchen

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     @lain @kaia @cell but do other countries even have as good internet connections as germany? or a functional train system?
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