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1. Martin Holland (mho@social.heise.de)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 15:05:41 JST Martin Holland

   At least a part of the this whole debate about #Meta and the #Fediverse seems to boil down to the most persistent argument on #Mastodon: People saying, well ***I*** have all the connections I want here, so why are you complaining about missing people or communities?
   Meta is so so many people that could get to know and embrace the #Fediverse like many did after the #TwitterTakeover.

   #P92 #Mastodon

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 15:05:39 JST Aral Balkan

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     @mho They are a publicly-traded trillion-dollar Silicon Valley surveillance machine that exploits your behaviour for profit. We know what their business model is. We know they see success as a zero-sum game. None of that is going to change. What exactly are we waiting to see?

     It’s like sheep inviting a wolf to dinner to see what it’s going to do. It’s going to have dinner, of course. You’re just not going to like what it eats.

     #meta #facebook #mastodon #fediverse #Project92

   • Martin Holland (mho@social.heise.de)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 15:05:40 JST Martin Holland

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     It's all about the protocol, not the platform, right? So if one of the biggest actors in the #Internet embraces the protocol, that's a win, isn't it?

     Let's see, what they are building with regards to the aspects like #onboarding, #search and yes, #funding. If there's something good, maybe others will learn from it and make the existing instances better (for #newcomers).

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 16:25:57 JST Aral Balkan

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     • keywan

     @keywan @mho The only way I see of delaying it, given the architecture of ActivityPub and Mastodon, etc., is social pressure. And they doesn’t seem to be present where it would be most useful.

   • keywan (keywan@chaos.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 16:25:59 JST keywan

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     • Aral Balkan

     @aral @mho how do you want to prevent it? It's an open protocol.

     But I see the danger. Good example: Google and XMPP (and all other open protocols they sabotaged)

   • Andy McGuire 🐕 (asjmcguire@mastodon.scot)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 17:37:07 JST Andy McGuire 🐕

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     • Aral Balkan

     @aral @mho right - but - the largest argument I see from people is about data harvesting.

     They cannot legally do that. GDPR requires people to explicitly agree to meta processing their data. GDPR does not allow for implicit agreement.

     There is no technical way for meta to know whether any user is in the EU or not, that's simply not part of the data they get from ActivityPub, and they can't infer that from the location of an instance either - because anyone can sign up anywhere.

   • Andy McGuire 🐕 (asjmcguire@mastodon.scot)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 17:37:07 JST Andy McGuire 🐕

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     • Aral Balkan

     @aral @mho as a result - the only fediverse data that Meta can legally harvest without breaching the GDPR - is data that they KNOW comes from their own users.

     They can display the data from users elsewhere on the fediverse, but they cannot harvest it.

     If they do, the EU is going to hit them with hefty fines.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 17:37:07 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Andy McGuire 🐕

     @asjmcguire @mho Fines are just a cost of doing business for trillion-dollar corporations.