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@Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean i'ma get a greenhouse today i wanna see if it can actualyl let me grow shit all year, i have doubts considering its literally made of plastic
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@Zealist @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean depending on where you live it might be enough to grow brassicas and stuff later into the season even if it won't go all winter. You may also be able to install a heater
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@Zealist @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean How big? Larger ones attached to a home where they can take some of the waste heat during winter probably can, depending on climate.
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@BowsacNoodle @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean naw it's like a steel structure with plastic wrapped around it, completely mobile
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@Zealist @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean At worst it should extend your growing season a bit. The heat helps quite a bit.
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@BowsacNoodle @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean well maybe, i was gonna throw some lettuce and cabbage in there over winter, as a test, i got 200 more cells of seedling planters coming which will put me at around 500 cells for next jan to start my garden early and put out live plants
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@Zealist @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere thoughts on smaller greenhouses?
I'd look at building an indoor setup if possible. After getting some hydroponic lettuce from my buddy, I am fully sold on that for lettuce and other veggies that tend to suck from the store.
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@BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean some things do really well in hydro. Lettuce is a great one. It won't winter well in a greenhouse where I am, but I am planning a small hydro setup in my office for winter greens
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@BowsacNoodle @Zealist @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere They do Aquaponics and Hydroponic kits for inside
you could also setup one on the balcony with real sunlight
not artificial led light
Look into Kale , Tomatoes, Spring Onions
Plenty of videos on censortube about Aquaponics
and vertical growing
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@greyfox46 @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @charliebrownau @justnormalkorean these have so many uses
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@charliebrownau @BowsacNoodle @Zealist @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere was thinking of trying something like this where i work has those 1 tone liquid pallets and will let you take them home would be fairly easy to convert into Aquaponics
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@charliebrownau @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean there is a thingiverse project for similar aero towers. It's in my to do list.
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@greyfox46 @BowsacNoodle @Zealist @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere Those totes are popular
You can do similar to this video also
using buckets
yewtu.be/watch?v=dKYsZJsD9dI
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@Zealist @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean Hello fellow dirt farmer 👨🌾
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@charliebrownau @greyfox46 @Zealist @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere That's very cool! Solid link borther. I might actually do this because of the simplicity and space constraints for where I wanted to put hydro.
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@BowsacNoodle @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere it's all quite fun to me, i'm enjoying all the aspects of farming in soil and growing in other ways is interesting, but i am enjoying researching soil, and how to make it better.
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@Zealist @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean yeah that's why I say dirt farmer. I don't consider myself a farmer either, but I do think soil health is probably the most important thing to understand. Plants do most of the work as long as they have good dirt.
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@thatguyoverthere @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean i'm not willing to call myself a farmer, i just think it's interesting to think about natural ways to improve soil without buying industrial chemicals
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@thatguyoverthere @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @charliebrownau @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean this, the gardener's job isn't to grow the plants they do all the work, your job is to shepherd them and make sur ethey have adequate soil.
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@charliebrownau @BowsacNoodle @greyfox46 @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere i just wanna farm for God's sake
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@Zealist @BowsacNoodle @greyfox46 @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere God and ((( Christianity ))) is a made up jewish control system
Best bet is to live ((( CITIES ))) and find a White majority rural township , build a solid community before 2030
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@charliebrownau @BowsacNoodle @greyfox46 @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere i'll agree to disagree with you on christianity, however i arleady do live in a rural majority white community
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@charliebrownau @BowsacNoodle @greyfox46 @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere for me it's God>family>race>nation
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@Zealist @BowsacNoodle @greyfox46 @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere I consider we will need
Underground Artifcal food/meat/herbs/mushrooms
becase the ((( system ))) will posion (more then it has already) air, land and water
We will need to seperate food, herbs, plants animals from the infected source and filter toxins away
I expect cave Mushrooms , underground greenhouses
and steath gardens to be needed for the road ahead
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@Zealist @charliebrownau @BowsacNoodle @greyfox46 @Neigh-Sayer @Darmy67 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere Yeah… I can agree with that. I’m a Christian, but i tend to lean on the libertarian side, when it comes to politics. Libertarians tend to be individualistic.
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@thatguyoverthere @Zealist Well you know the only way to get soil health? Is to do things the right way. It takes years and years to build organic matter. Using fertilizer carefully and monitoring the soil. Fertilizer adds organic matter.
That said? I’ve spent a very long time with soil and plants. Two decades of experience tells me?
Nothing gonna stop the ultimate enemy, you can’t stop physics or nature. Condensation gonna downy mildew your ass or mites. God the army worms, the fucking snails and slugs. It’s on and on to fungus. Zero reliability.
Identify the problems. Resolve them, use chemicals or don’t. If you use Chemicals read the labels. Follow the labels. No roundup doesn’t kill earthworms or any of that, in fact in my experiments it did nothing but enhance the soil. There’s a lot of misinformation out there. Fertilizer themself? I spent a lot of time doing organic methods however? Without absolute measurements you cannot have absolute results. That means you put mystery down. That’s not good, I’ve seen more overloaded soil from organic than inorganic.
I had a 408 fruit tree farm in Hawaii in soil. It was the largest nightmare of fertilizing and then bee keeping to keep the pollination going. Never ending work.
Now what’s really fun? I dunno where any of you live. But I doubt it’s kula Maui. I don’t live there anymore. That means well that unique climate isn’t available.
6 years ago I started the project. I achieved 6 months interval without intervention on plants. Automatically running and maintaining climate. Fully indoors and under lights. I have not grown anything since 19, however that does not mean I’m not advancing the tech. I already know it works so it’s just make it better.
The results are clear. If you grow in a controlled environment fully hydroponic? There is little concern of problems. Fully synthetic fertilizers, if you don’t use them? Your plants won’t develop the chlorophyll in the tips. They grow so fast organic nutrients are not enough, the bioavailability is too low.
When you dig into it? You can double a plants size every 3 days. 128lbs of food per square foot annually.
The design, is based in physics and chemistry, the entire system is a giant math ball. It’s not guessing it’s exact. That’s what is missing in plants that till I did this was impossible. Reproducible results.
Anyway plants are bad ass keep playing it’s always nice to work with them. Best advice I can give? They are a lot tougher than we all give them credit for.
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@SlicerDicer @Zealist Yeah when I moved here most of the ground was hard, compacted clay. I've been running chickens for almost a decade at this point and building up the soil as I go. This year is the first year where things are really starting to pop, but as you say we do still have a few issues to contend with (mildew in a few areas, lantern flies from Asia, etc).
Most of what I've planted over the past several years has been perennials. I don't have 400 fruit trees, but I have a few that are really taking off. I also have several places where I have raspberry and blackberry coming in really strong, and I've allowed some volunteer mulberry to pop up that basically require nothing but harvesting and pruning from me. Last year I started working more on annuals, but we didn't have a ton of luck. From the way things look right now we should be seeing a pretty excellent harvest from the potatoes if nothing else. I tried them once before but they died long before they could reach the size the plants I have now are.
I don't really get into chemicals, but if you are doing hydro/aero it might make some sense. I think it's very hard to be precise on soil, and it is very easy to add too much liquid fertilizer which can then run off and cause problems elsewhere. I use a lot of compost, and I make compost tea which I feed to the trees and bushes. I do avoid most chemicals, but I imagine there is a time in place for some. Round up may not kill larger bugs and stuff, but it does kill microbial life. My concern is primarily that in spite of it being called safe for human consumption, it can have a negative impact on gut health. One thing I have been working on is adding things to the soil seed bank that I want to see growing instead of less appealing weeds. Aside from poison ivy, my most prolific "weed" so far this year is impatiens. For the past 5 it's been amaranth (edible grains).
Anyway, like you say plants are bad ass. The problems we have are learning opportunities, and I'm always happy to learn new things.
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@charliebrownau @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere Factually incorrect. Christianity was invented cirica 30 AD after Christ began His earthly ministry. During his ministry he rebuked the jews and their lies harshly. They coped and seethed, killed the messiah, only for Him (being the Son of God) to rise again and destroy the old covenant.
Secondarily, white power structures pre 1750 where Christian power structures, based on sphere doctrine. Sphere doctrine is inherently anti-jewish because it prioritizes real family structures and the community over the state. It wasn't until jews came in and tricked us into believing that separation of church in state means that the church sits in the corner with a limp phallus while the communists run rough-shod over the family that we ended up where we are.
Most modern day protestant denominations are jewish subversions. Again that's why they seethe when someone reminds them that Martin Luther wrote an entire treatise on jewish subversion and we just ignored it.
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@charliebrownau @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere Real Christianity is anti-jewish. That's why they seethe at ESV and KJV translations. Overall, you are correct about mainline (((evangelicals)))
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@ShockTohp @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere Christianity is a recent creation of Jews to control whitey and goyim
Its a gatekeeper kosher method to prevent us discovering our real history, knowledge, technology and power struture pre 1750
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@ShockTohp @charliebrownau @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @thatguyoverthere PLEASE SIR HIS IS AN AGRICULTURE THREAD
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@Zealist @SlicerDicer Chickens help so much. I use them to speed up/enhance my compost. They love to search through a pile looking for bugs and sprouts, and while they are at it they shred a lot of stuff up with their scratching. The pooping also helps keep the nitrogen levels higher which keeps the pile hot. I also get a little workout myself once they've more or less flattened it out and I pile it back up for them.
You can use the stuff after they are done with it right away on some things, but I like to let it sit a little longer just to finish off any potential seed they might have added to it with their poo and let it cook down a little bit more.
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@thatguyoverthere @SlicerDicer yea we got heavy clay soil where i am too, it take some extra work i also am gonna get some chickens soon
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@thatguyoverthere @SlicerDicer i had been researching ducks because i was like 'why do chickens when you can do ducks' apparently giving the ducks a kiddy pool to play and shit in, makes a really nice fertilizer,
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@Zealist @SlicerDicer Yeah I have a few ducks too and they are great for making liquid fertilizer. I have a couple fruit trees and bushes around the yard and I move the pool around so that I can dump it on them. I have been slowly working on a pond for them over the past 2 years, and I have been using water from there to feed the trees this year.
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We have one of those. Works great.
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@Hyolobrika @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean thanks for your input it helps me feel better about spending the money on it to hear positive info.
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@Hyolobrika @BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean we have a fairly cheap one that I've been using for 2 years now... The only thing is where I live after a year of exposure the plastic is a bit brittle. Needs replacing. I want to get one that is made with more substantial material at some point, and maybe a little bigger inside so I can stand all the way up and fit a few more trays.
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@thatguyoverthere @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @Hyolobrika Geodesic dome greenhouse? Metal conduit and 6 mil plastic built for 5+ years of sun exposure. Dome strength would allow hanging stuff too.
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@BowsacNoodle @Darmy67 @Neigh-Sayer @Zealist @greyfox46 @justnormalkorean @Hyolobrika I was originally planning to build a dome, but I got the house style for christmas one year and just started using it. I have heard that domes may not get quite as steamy where most of the plants are, but I would like to try one out. One thing I thought you might be able to do is build a compost pile in the middle during the winter to help keep it a little warmer without having to pump heat in.
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chickens, yep I had 52 that kept most at bay. However you can only do so much when you have unkept property around you. Geese are great too, ducks all the fowl. I wanted peafowl that would have been great. I never had the space or water or I would have wanted swans.
I like animals what can I say? I was even building a herd of dexter cattle.
The biggest issue is putting too many animals in one area as well. I did not overload it was just complement. I had the cow in the damn orchard lol.
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@SlicerDicer @Zealist I would love to have peafowl and a few guineas that just ran wild to eat bugs where my main flock can't go. I don't live where I can get away with them. I have a couple geese and I feel like that's pushing it sometimes on the noise levels.
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