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@OldM8 I agree, although I do still kinda like the aesthetic of soviet architecture.
Sorry, cool is cool. :lenin:
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@Indigo 3rd one does look pree cool ngl
i like these too
I can just imagine... techno-primmies scavaging from the ruins of the old cities, tech-agrarians like from the wild west but on biodiesel tractors, micro cities, sea steads, cyborg hermits protecting endangered forests etc
all these different societies
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@Indigo I am basically cyborg kazcynski at this point :blobcatjoy:
"Unauthorised logging and tilling alert. EXTERMINATE!"
>"A lot of people want to pin that on Capitalism"
Agreed, but the socialists too can be greedy, with their maximalist apartment blocks. All ideologues have failed to address the problem with urban-industrial civilisation, which renders all of their theory null and void... unlike uncle ted and the egoists, but yeah. The machiavellians do make the point will we get nothing but greed from above, no matter what ideology they hide behind, so we should have envy from below instead of sentimentality. I agree, but disagree with envy. Envy is ignorance, what u want is anger, a real fire in your belly.
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@OldM8 Of course there are nuances, I think legislation being pushed by corops with connection to government is one of the biggest obstacles for people who otherwise *would* have the ability/resources to "Make thing."
I agree completely in regards to housing development, etc. People are obsessed with always having more, because that's the image of "success" they're pushed.
I think the "protestants work ethic," or "grindset," as it's been secularly rebranded does a lot of harm for people who might otherwise find joy and/or fulfillment out of personal enlightenment.
A lot of people want to pin that on Capitalism, but I think that stems more from a culture of excess and greed baked into modern society; which as long as we're talking about Rand still is something she specifically called out (that's that character of Peter Keating in The Fountainhead was supposed to represent, he got everything he wanted, but he was empty because he had no passion for it).
There's um... another writer who I think had a lot of good things to say about this too, but uh... I don't exactly endorse his *methods*... :tedk:
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@OldM8 Well, my logic on property; as well as my conclusion of Capitalism, while being intrinsically flawed, is the best thing we got; comes from the following "logic formula:"
:gib: "I want thing!"
:sadge: "I don't have thing..."
I have (effectively) three options to obtain thing:
:minecraft_pickaxe: Make thing
:blobcatburglar: Steal thing
:nook_money: Trade for thing
For those without the ability/resources for option 1, that leaves 2 & 3.
Property rights, therefore, are necessary to preserve peace and co-existence between people. If property rights aren't mutually understood to be respected, then option 2 is more likely to be picked because it's potentially the least amount of effort with the highest reward.
You could argue that isn't *necessarily* a natural right, you wouldn't exactly be wrong, but I think we're better off overall assuming it to be one.
I like what Stirner has to say about concepts like God, Nation, or Law being spooks, and I think he was right, but property to me is the keystone piece of the puzzle that keeps the rest together.
And I think I already am a combination of a bunch of ideas/philosophies, I find it more freeing and less self-limiting that way.
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@Indigo there is more nuances on "want" and "ability/resources ".
One of my quarrels with industrialism is the mass production of housing or "property development". The big backyards that were once so prominent here in every city is dead. Not because less land was being distributed, but because houses are getting much bigger.
I dont want a big house, a tiny house is perfect for me. Stirner,Thoreau and Emerson made the point that property is a responsibility, the bigger the house, the more you have to clean and maintain. Ofc the docile and apathetic normies will be conditioned to hold sacred "more is more". But who tf honestly wants to spend the rest of their life paying off an unnecessary debt, for a house they didnt build themselves, cleaning it up longer than desired. Insanity.
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@OldM8 Maybe, at this point I would genuinely not be too surprised if I had some kinda Truman show situation going, but that's neither here nor there.
I don't know what I "am" anymore, I'm me. I have Stirner-y learnings on some stuff, but I don't call myself an Egoist because I don't feel like it properly represents me, especially the stuff about property rights.
I just go with "civil libertarian" now because it basically fits, "bleeding heart libertarian" works too.
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@Indigo You are... U N I Q U E
and transient
i mean u can experiment a little, kinda like what i've done, combining the works of Emerson and Nietzsche.
Could try combining aspects of Rand with Nietzsche, Emerson, Stirner or Machiavelli etc
I do believe might is right, i dont think property will be given to me just like that through "rights"
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@Indigo ideology and "anarchism" are both spooked anyway :blobcatgoogly:
so what, are u like a ethical egoist and metaphysical solipsist or something?
damn, guess I am just a figment of indigo's imagination all along
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@OldM8 Almost, although I think Ayn Rand would rise back from the dead and smack you if you claimed her ideology was anarchist in nature somehow, she was goofy like that.
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@OldM8 I mean, based. :stirner: :gadsden_flag:
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@Indigo isn't egoist-coms just situationists, and egoist-caps objectivists, but with extra steps??
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@Indigo egoist-cap..? :blobcatthinking:
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@elduvelle I have no idea how to answer anymore. I guess :compass_lr: but I think the left/right dichotomy is false.
I'm definitely a capitalist, but I'd rather hang with AnComs than Neocons any day.
A Holly Jolly Indigo :padoru:
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