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1. gamercat (gamercat@shota.house)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 03:19:24 JST gamercat
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   • gamercat (gamercat@shota.house)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 04:37:28 JST gamercat

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     • Stoic
     @stoic I have been on the artix since 2020, but at least everything is stable (yes ready-made builds with de shit) and sometimes there are problems with the keys (when I do not touch the system for months on another PC),manjaro to 2019 was quite stable system, at least I do not remember the big fails, but Ubuntu stopped using it after several times it died because of the non-native driver for wifi, it would not start
   • Stoic (stoic@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 04:37:34 JST Stoic

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     @gamercat Hardly breaks anything?

     Its Arch Linux. Sooner, or later an update is going to break your whole operating system. Forcing you to either rollback to a previous snapshot, or install it again from scratch. It isn't a matter of if, but when.

     This meme would have worked better if it was for something more stable. Like Debian.

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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 04:40:16 JST Machismo

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     @gamercat @stoic I managed to brick manjaro ~6 times across... ~5 years?
     At least one of those was no fault of my own, and at least one of them was almost entirely my fault (I knew that performing a certain action was likely to cause a freeze, so I should have not done it during system update).
     I have never managed to brick artix.
     Ubuntu, as far as I can tell, is perfectly capable of bricking itself by just updating its core.
   • gamercat (gamercat@shota.house)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:15:41 JST gamercat

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     • Machismo
     Honestly, there is no worse distro than Ubuntu, Ubuntu has fixed updates like Deb, I'm sure if you put a rolling release in Debian its stability is not less, and how they made the distribution so that it breaks itself is a mystery
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   • Stoic (stoic@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:15:48 JST Stoic

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     • Machismo

     @Zerglingman @gamercat I used Manjaro back from the very beginning for several years until I came to the same conclusion as I did with Arch.

     Eventually an update is going to Bork your entire operating system no matter what you do. However it happened far more often with Manjaro than it did with Arch.

     Manjaro is a balloon that bloats up with every update and destroys itself regularly. Arch is a race car that requires expert maintenance before every race.

     I don't use either to remain sane.

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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:16:32 JST Machismo

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     • Stoic
     @stoic @gamercat I've only heard of one instance of arch bricking itself, and I happened to hear of it right before I was going to do updates, so I just didn't, and waited a week or two, and it was fixed.
   • gamercat (gamercat@shota.house)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:16:53 JST gamercat

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     • Machismo
     • Stoic
     @stoic @Zerglingman Arch, yes, but I'm used to Arch, if you get used to Arch (or artix), then change the distribution does not want to, for me the package manager pacman, this is the most convenient package manager, and I just need a short command to update mirrors and software and then install the software, and on any deb I will need 3 commands or a long command of 2 lines
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:18:17 JST Machismo

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     • Stoic
     @gamercat @stoic apt is just straight garbage. dpkg straight up tells you to use apt for a "more user-friendly interface", but there are a bunch of extremely useful tools that apt just doesn't have. And I would, in fact, like a more user-friendly interface to those.
     If I had to use any debian for an extended period of time I would probably end up writing a pacman command that just maps all its options to appropriate apt/apt-get/dpkg options.
   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:18:53 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

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     • Machismo
     • Stoic
     @Zerglingman @stoic @gamercat i had arch break it self a few times in like 3-5 months before. Slackware users keep winning :slackware:
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:22:04 JST Machismo

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     • Stoic
     @dcc @stoic @gamercat Didn't do updates while I was in Japan 🕶
     Instinct stays winning
   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:22:55 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

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     • Machismo
     • Stoic
     @Zerglingman @stoic @gamercat lol, every arch users trys to upgrade every day :cirno_laughing:
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:23:08 JST Machismo

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     • Stoic
     @dcc @stoic @gamercat 🕶
     too chad too bad
   • Tyler (tyler@1611.social)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:29:13 JST Tyler

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     • Machismo
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     • Stoic
     Now I just mostly forget to upgrade then all that crap passes me by B^)
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   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:31:28 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

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     • Machismo
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     • Stoic
     @tyler @stoic @Zerglingman @gamercat lol, bsd users dont have linux user issuses :open_pepe:
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   • Man of Dog (kuon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:38:26 JST Man of Dog

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     • Machismo
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     • Stoic
     *Tips :fedora: *
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   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 16:39:44 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

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     • Machismo
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     • Stoic
     @kuon @stoic @Zerglingman @gamercat :fedhat:
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 17:29:29 JST Machismo

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     • Machismo
     • Stoic
     @stoic @gamercat Also pip is still an absolute dumpsterfire. Fuck pip.
   • gamercat (gamercat@shota.house)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 17:47:47 JST gamercat

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     • Machismo
     • Stoic
     @Zerglingman @stoic but pip on termux is fine
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 17:47:56 JST Machismo

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     • Stoic
     @gamercat @stoic That sounds horrible.
   • john paul grips (grips@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 18:25:46 JST john paul grips

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     • Machismo
     • Stoic
     @stoic @Zerglingman @gamercat so what do you use?
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   • Stoic (stoic@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 20:41:33 JST Stoic

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     • Machismo

     @Zerglingman @gamercat Consider yourself very fortunate then. I've used it frequently for over a decade. Its happened to me many times.

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   • Stoic (stoic@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 20:44:09 JST Stoic

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     • Machismo
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     @dcc @Zerglingman @gamercat Slackware is a distro that I have used in distro hopping once or twice im a VM.

     I am Slackware neutral though. I just never got the point, or the benefits of the distro over others.

     Feel free to tell me the benefits to use Slackware if you'd like.

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   • Stoic (stoic@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 20:47:49 JST Stoic

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     • Machismo

     @Zerglingman @gamercat I can empathize with your concerns.

     Have you ever tried Nala?

     It is a front end wrapper for apt that improves the functionality, dependability, speed, and overall user experience for the package manager.

     https://github.com/volitank/nala

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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 20:48:11 JST Machismo

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     • Stoic
     @stoic @gamercat apt isn't the only reason debian/* is garbage.
   • Stoic (stoic@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 20:54:50 JST Stoic

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     @dcc @tyler @Zerglingman @gamercat

     I've liked BSD based distros and even used some for extended periods of time. However I always came back to Linux. More software, better performance, and my hardware ran better without it. For me BSD isn't well suited for the desktop.

     It is instead outstanding in use for Servers, NAS, and security focused specialty networking devices. Often blowing away Linux distros in terms of performance and dependability.

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   • Stoic (stoic@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 20:57:42 JST Stoic

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     @dcc @Zerglingman @gamercat

     Fuck Red Hat.

     Alma Linux FTW instead. All the benefits without the high price tag.

     Red Hat only makes sense if you are a multi-billion dollar corporation who has a hard time dealing with IT themselves. While not minding taking buckets of money and frequently throwing them into a dumpster fire for convienance sake.

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   • Stoic (stoic@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 20:59:33 JST Stoic

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     • Machismo

     @Zerglingman @gamercat What are the other reasons?

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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 21:01:35 JST Machismo

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     • Stoic
     @stoic @gamercat Their packages lol.
     I was recently dealing with a guy's mint install, and if I understood correctly, he was running a version of some reasonably core utils package from like 2003. IIRC he only set that thing up a year ago or so.
   • Stoic (stoic@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 21:32:09 JST Stoic

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     • Machismo

     @Zerglingman @gamercat Not a fan of Linux Mint. But for Debian stable repositories. Which are definitely quite stale. If you are looking for bullet proof reliability with very few bugs. Definitely the way to go.

     If you want fresher repos with more up to date software. You can switch apt to use Debian Testing (Bookworm). It is the good middle ground.

     If you want to say fuck it. Give me the freshest software. I don't care if there are bugs. You can switch apt to use Debian Unstable (Sid).

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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 21:32:39 JST Machismo

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     • Stoic
     @stoic @gamercat Or I could just run a rock-solid distro with regular updates.
   • Stoic (stoic@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 21:41:46 JST Stoic

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     • Machismo

     @Zerglingman @gamercat So you would be running Pop OS then. Lol!

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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 30-May-2023 21:42:41 JST Machismo

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     • Stoic
     @stoic @gamercat >install steam
     >uninstall desktop
     
     Not that I care that much about steam to begin with.
   • Stoic (stoic@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 00:11:44 JST Stoic

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     • Machismo

     @Zerglingman @gamercat What do you mean install Steam uninstall desktop?

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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 00:14:48 JST Machismo

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     • Stoic
     @stoic @gamercat There was a bug in pop's packages one time that caused steam to be in conflict with the DE.
     I don't know when it appeared but it was fixed shortly after Linus (LTT) discovered it the hard way. I later heard that it had been present for *months* by that point.
   • Stoic (stoic@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 00:18:49 JST Stoic

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     • Machismo

     @Zerglingman @gamercat Weird.

     Well at least they fixed it. I don't use Steam so it didn't affect me lol

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   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 19:15:41 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Kevin Karhan :verified:

     @gamercat @kkarhan Sounds like the one on the right also has a sexist community.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 21:27:01 JST Aral Balkan

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     @gamercat @kkarhan You literally have a meme comparing an operating system to a woman (as seen through the male gaze of “a girlfriend”) and you’re telling me there isn’t a sexism problem here?

   • gamercat (gamercat@shota.house)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 21:27:08 JST gamercat

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     @aral @kkarhan Maybe, but let's be realistic everyone has their own requirements in this or that relationship, for example a rich, young girl would not date an old bum obviously and therefore not all geeks like this relationship as in the meme, so it is not sexist