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1. Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 08:56:20 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
   > Above all, I am genuinely offended at you saying "and if you have an issue with autistic people communicating and thinking differently than you, that's your issue" - as someone on the spectrum, and as someone who has best friends on the spectrum, autism is NOT an excuse to bully people, nor does it justify acting like this.
   (Hopefully did no typos in re-transcribing this, the logs Louis posted are sadly on Google Drive…)
   
   This, I'm glad Louis Rossman wrote and said this with some more in the video.
   I've seen this shit way too much, be it the Stallman garbage behavior (And IIRC Stallman himself denies being autistic) being excused that way or the bullies on Twitter/Twitter-style-Fedi/…
   I'm honestly so tired of seeing this pattern, it just makes for horrible reputations and it's not even how it works, to me that's at least ableism from GrapheneOS dev. Because that's like saying "Oh, he's autistic, don't mind him being horribly rude, even after being directly called out on it". This is nowhere close to something like missing a social cue or putting your foot in your mouth.
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 08:56:19 JST xianc78

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     @lanodan Some autistic people are more severe than others (that's why it's called a "spectrum"). In other cases their parents weren't aware or denied their child's autism so they never got the proper treatment, which is clearly the case in people like Chris Chan.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 09:53:02 JST xianc78

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     @lanodan But autism is still part of the problem and even then, some autistic people are more severe than others.

   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 09:53:03 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • xianc78
     @xianc78 Which isn't solely about autism anymore.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 09:54:51 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @lanodan The greatest threat autists face is tranny groomers brainwashing autistic kids into sterilizing themselves.
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 10:34:24 JST xianc78

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     @lanodan
     >You need to inform yourself more on the subject, specially when it comes to autistic *adults* aka people that either learned the hard way by themselves

     That's literally me. I'm autistic and learned on my own to pass as neurotypical. As a kid, my mom took me to a lot of programs for autistic people. Many of the adults there said that they couldn't believe that I was autistic. There were pre-teens acting like toddlers. The autism spectrum is more than just simply Asperger's (I'm calling it that despite the atrocities Han's Asperger may have done) and sever autism. There is shit in between. You and I are clearly less severe than Chris Chan who is unable to learn. I agree that Chris Chan is a disgrace to the autistic community and probably has other conditions like personality disorders, but he is clearly autistic.

     >therapy (not "treatment" there is no relevant drugs/surgery/whatever, in a way because there's nothing to really fix, but more things to learn)

     That's what I meant. I'll admit that I used the wrong word there.

   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 10:34:27 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • xianc78
     @xianc78 It's really not, you're saying shit that's like worse than fucking Autism Speaks.
     Chris Chan would have been in the same thing without any autism, in fact I would say that *none* of the current problems are linked to autism.
     
     You need to inform yourself more on the subject, specially when it comes to autistic *adults* aka people that either learned the hard way by themselves or got therapy (not "treatment" there is no relevant drugs/surgery/whatever, in a way because there's nothing to really fix, but more things to learn).
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 11:13:35 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • xianc78
     @xianc78 Yeah, you *do* have to learn it and it's probably much better if it's early.
     Like if you pick GrapheneOS dev I could see them being autistic and ending up in a negative feedback loop when it comes to social skills, which autism really doesn't helps you with. But if you short it to autism, it's quite the wrong direction and it's false, both because neurotypical folks can end up with this kind of problem and because there's autistic folks without it.
     
     Like I still have annoying at times social anxiety when it comes to specific things, I could blame me being autistic on it, but it's not the actual cause and I'd rather just give the actual symptoms anyway as I find it more clear to both people and myself.
     Specially as autism stays but social anxiety is a thing you can more or less get over with, same logic for social skills.
     
     > That's what I meant. I'll admit that I used the wrong word there.
     Kind of triggered me… sorry if I was too harsh in the reply btw.
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   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 11:23:43 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • xianc78
     @xianc78 And bit offtopic but I think for projects like GrapheneOS, not blaming it on such a large thing like autism probably helps on recognising your own faults and qualities but also the ones of others.
     At least if there's one thing I would want to be good at for libre software, it's this and delegating correctly to others and making sure that others also can depend on me, specially for what I'm good at.
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 11:29:00 JST xianc78

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     @lanodan
     Honestly, when it's just text, it's hard to tell if people are being sarcastic, serious, or whatever because you can't hear tone or see facial cues. You lose a lot of context when it's just text.

     I just have a bad experience was the "autism rights" activists. Some of the organizations they tell you to support instead of Autism Speaks are the ones that tell you that it's "ableist" to use words like "stupid", "crazy", and "dumb". I also hate how some don't like it when you say "Asperger's Syndrome" because Hans Asperger was probably a eugenicist. Guess what, so was Alexander Graham Bell. A lot of inventions and discoveries are from abhorrent people.

     And it's drama like that leads to further (unnecessary) policing of language. It's shit like this why we have CoCs and banning of terms like "sanity check".

   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 11:49:38 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • xianc78
     @xianc78
     > Honestly, when it's just text, it's hard to tell if people are being sarcastic, serious, or whatever because you can't hear tone or see facial cues. You lose a lot of context when it's just text.
     
     Which is quite why I love custom emojis but also going against academic/literature style of writing and freely using onomatopoeia like "haha", "bleh", … to convey meaning.
     Hard to make it an habit though.
     
     > I just have a bad experience was the "autism rights" activists. [snip]
     
     Yeah, I also hate this kind of thing, I can understand that some words should be better avoided but there's a point where it's just complete nonsense and pretty much turns evil with literally considering that some people are worth less with policing out benign parts of how they express themselves.
     And mobs are awfully good at taking what was initially a good idea and driving it into the ground.
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 12:04:35 JST xianc78

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

     @tusooa @lanodan None of these words are bad. The whole black meaning "evil" and white meaning "good" comes from the black vs white magic dichotomy which originated from AFRICAN tribes. There is also nothing bad about master/slave. Not all slavery was racial. The Romans enslaved people regardless of race. Slave also comes from "Slavic" (i.e Russian, Ukrainian, Balkan, etc) and I never hear anyone complain about their enslavement.

     >im not sure why "sanity" is bad wording

     Because it's "discriminatory towards the mentally ill". They have a word for that. They call it "sanism".

   • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 12:04:36 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     @lanodan @xianc78
     i can name more than a few: master/slave, black/whitelist, man-in-the-middle, not safe for work, evil maid attack
     
     im not sure why "sanity" is bad wording, but as **those unprivileged people can get offended by that, i will strive to avoid it.**
   • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 12:04:37 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     • xianc78
     @lanodan @xianc78 on software terms: there are a lot of disrespectful and uninclusive terms that need to be replaced.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 13:44:07 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • hachi
     @hachi @lanodan I graduated and passed my classes just fine.
   • hachi (hachi@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 28-May-2023 13:44:08 JST hachi

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     @ArdainianRight @lanodan That person helped contribute to the fedi software you are using. You on the other hand couldn't handle programming in college.