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1. Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:05:00 JST Thorwegian ❄️

   plants don't really offer any instant feedback, do they. they just sit there and if you do something wrong, you won't know for a while.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:04:59 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor depends on how wrong and how mature the plant is (species also plays a role). Pour boiling water on a seedling the result is pretty quick.
     
     Although they also emit sounds when damaged although it's outside of our hearing frequency range.
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:06:44 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere Kickstarter idea: a little sensor with a speaker that lets you hear the plants speak

     i know it's been monitored in a lab, but this would be a product.

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     @thor that would be pretty cool. I wonder if you could isolate just the sounds from the plants and not pick up other things with overlapping frequency without some kind of sound proofing
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:08:59 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere they sell those ultrasound devices that listen in on bat signals after all

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:09:12 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor I've never seen one of those but that sounds awesome
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:10:36 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor I used to love throwing something (baseballs work well) up into the air at dusk and watching the bats check it out. I dont see as many bats around here as I used to. When I was a kid there would always be one or two sleeping in a window or something.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:39:25 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor but wind and other movement would also be setting off the piezo no?
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:39:26 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere the piezoelectric sensor isolates the sound, basically.

   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:39:27 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere well, if the plant is making sound, something must be vibrating.

     when you want to amplify an acoustic guitar on a stage, you can't use a microphone. the hollow body of the guitar will create feedback almost immediately.

     so what you do is stick a piezoelectric sensor to it that picks up the vibrations of the body and turns it into an electrical signal.

     maybe you could attach such a sensor to a plant.

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   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:41:41 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere yes. but less so than wind blowing directly into the diaphragm. it would have to be tested. and there are means of reducing noise. you can talk fairly quietly into a smartphone in loud traffic and still be heard clearly. people shout into phones out of old habit, to be heard over the noise, but it's actually not necessary anymore.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:43:00 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor yeah I guess you could target the known range and filter out other effects.
     
     I actually have some piezoelectric disks on their way to me for a different project. Now you have me thinking I might need to try and hear my plants
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:49:24 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor yeah I am not sure about the specifications of the discs I'm getting, but I am planning to fiddle with vibration energy harvesting so we'll see how it goes.
     
     I also have a friend bringing me some old microwaves so I can scavenge some parts for other kinds of vibration harvester that aren't piezo based.
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:49:25 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere you'd have to check the frequency range. but i think it should be fairly high. clock crystals in computers and radios depend on the piezoelectric effect and those operate in the RF range.

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   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:49:29 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     this is a bit of a far fetched idea but who the hell knows - it might just work @thatguyoverthere

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:57:32 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor using the transformer to convert wind movement into electricity. Essentially a bladeless wind generator from scrap.
     
     I can't find the videos atm but Robert Murray smith on YouTube does some pretty cool stuff I want to try out.
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:57:34 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere are you gonna step up the voltage with the magnetrons?

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   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 20:59:21 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere now i wonder what would happen if you stuck a magnetron on the end of a dynamic microphone (essentially a diaphragm that takes air movement and turns it into a small electrical signal)

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 21:02:18 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor I am very interested in this idea. As the world moves toward trying to track every bit of energy spent I think learning how to generate your own where it's needed could help keep the lights on so to speak.
   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 23:49:37 JST m0xEE

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     There are very few mosquitoes outside Moscow nowadays. They used to be a problem even in the city, there were no easily installable anti-mosquito nets, but lighter curtains were a must and vaporizers were nice to have. Outside of the city they still do come when you're cooking something in the kitchen late in the evening, but very few of them, still attracted by moist, heat and light, but you barely notice them at other times.

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   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 23:49:40 JST m0xEE

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     @thatguyoverthere It also seldomly gets below -30°C in winter, I remember when I was a schoolkid it even got below -40°C — this was a huge problem as it damaged hot water pipes. Now it rarely gets below -30°C during winter, for a week maybe, or less. Global warming or not, things are definitely changing.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2023 23:52:16 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @m0xee @thor yeah it's noticeable. I question whether we are causing temperature rises but the winters of my youth were quite a bit different. I think we have a hell of an environmental impact even if we aren't contributing to temperature rises. I just doubt many of the offered solutions.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2023 01:07:10 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @m0xee @thor the beef thing is weird, because on the one hand, I agree that the way we farm beef is generally unsustainable, but it's really a much more local problem that could be solved by spreading out the farms. Instead of having a handful of massive feed lots a bunch of small farms that primarily feed grasses to the cows (which they can graze on their own) is much more sustainable, and the quality of meat is higher which results in better health for the people eating it. Instead somehow the solution is stop farming meat and start farming crickets and algae.
   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2023 01:07:11 JST m0xEE

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     @thatguyoverthere Doesn't work for me, I do feel myself better when I'm on carnivore diet. I'm also not against looking for new sources of protein, but I still think that the whole problem is way overblown.
     The whole renting instead of owning does work when it really allows people to save, but it shouldn't be imposed on everyone — and it feels especially hypocritical when people who tell us that are brought in to their regular COP by dozens of private jets 🤷

     @thor

   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2023 01:07:12 JST m0xEE

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     @thatguyoverthere Same here. I do agree that if we want to have sustainable economy we have to strongly tone down on consumption, economy can't be based on mass-producing electronics that goes into garbage bin in 2-3 years (on computers running cryptographic hash function 24/7 either).
     But some of the problems raised are questionable to say the least, e.g. I don't get the beef problem. I'm not against people not eating meat when it's their choice.

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   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2023 23:13:17 JST ≠

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     In the culture I am from, no.

     Fussy plants like growing African violets? Yes, you are a woman or homosexual. For sure.

     But plants generally? Anyone can do it, and men are often avid gardeners, even for non-cannabis plants.

     Is this one of those "real men don't kiss kitties" things?

   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2023 23:13:18 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @amerika i think the traditional attitude is that plants are a lady thing.

   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2023 23:13:19 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @amerika what i know about how to take care of plants is from observing my mother. dad had zero interest in it.

   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2023 23:13:23 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @amerika let's just say i'm very far from being a plant geek, so i'm a bit of a plant normie.

   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2023 23:13:24 JST ≠

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     Not really, but you must be familiar with them. The way a leaf droops, the shade of green, sometimes the smells they give off... it is a science, and people who are good at it become wizards.

   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2023 23:13:24 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @amerika that's what i meant by "obsessed"

     i realise we're geeks, so we assume it's normal to pay such close attention to things, but...

   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2023 23:13:25 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @amerika hm, so you have to be a bit obsessed with them to spot it, huh

   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2023 23:13:26 JST ≠

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     Yes and no. You get some fairly quick feedback but it is subtle.

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     @amerika @thor
     In the area I live, most people have a vegetable garden, it’s usually the men tilling the soil and planting, you don’t normally see a woman doing the tilling, and then both men and women tend to it, women do most of the tending to it because they stay at home, the men don’t have as much time because of their work. I used to have a big garden but now just plant what I can manage while still working a full time job.