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1. realcaseyrollins (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 19:53:28 JST realcaseyrollins

   Banning abortion is a violation of bodily autonomy like how banning child abuse is a violation of property rights.

   My property, my choice!

   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 19:53:24 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins

     Yea, so? They dont have any self, it is morally equivalent to broccoli at that point.

     Plus you cant completely disregard the autonomy otf the woman, sot there must be some compromise.

   • realcaseyrollins (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 19:53:25 JST realcaseyrollins

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo I don’t find that compromise fair because it still allows babies to be killed before their brain cells form.

   • realcaseyrollins (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 19:53:26 JST realcaseyrollins

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @freemo

     My argument is usually that both the fetus and parent have bodily autonomy that is in conflict when it comes to abortion.

     That’s how I view it as well (and this applies outside the womb as well); but if one’s autonomous choice would be to kill the other, I’d lean on the side of the person who would otherwise be killed.

   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 19:53:26 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins It is more complicated than that... I think one needs to let the woman have the right to abort, but only if she does so in a way that makes every attempt at minimizing the moral offenses against the fetus... limiting it to ah point in time before the fetus has brain cells seems like ah fair compromise.

   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 19:53:28 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins

     I am one who feels bodily autonomy is sacred. My argument is usually that both the fetus and parent have bodily autonomy that is in conflict when it comes to abortion. Therefore any law surrounding it must do its best to respect the bodily autonomy of both.

     inb4: People usually counter with talk about being forced to donate a liver to someone. But the difference is a fetus only needs you metaphorical liver because you put the fetus in that position in the first place.

     I am not against abortion, but I do think it needs to be relatively restrictive in when and how it is permitted (first trimester only)