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Matthew 12:36-37
Luke 6:36-37
Galatians 5:19-21
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I don't understand why you think those apply here.
1. "For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy." (James 2:13)
2. "Do I not hate those who hate you, O LORD? And do I not loathe those who rise up against you?
I hate them with complete hatred; I count them my enemies.
Search me, O God, and know my heart! Try me and know my thoughts!" (Psalm 139:21-23)
3. "Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers.
You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?" (Matthew 23:31-33)
"I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled!
I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished!
Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. (Luke 12:49-51)
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@SuperSnekFriend I'm saying if you rejoice in suicide you are no better than any homosexual. That's wrath, it's extremely vile, and it's a grievous sin to say such things. I'm a sinner, you're a sinner, they're sinners too. Our hope is mercy, the mercy we show others will be shown to us.
1. This affirms what I am saying, so I don't know why you would provide that as a counterargument. Judgement without mercy will be given to those who have no mercy. This is especially clear if you read the verses before and after it.
2. Wrath is a sin, and what's more you're attempting to justify it with scripture. You're the one rising up against God now. Shall I hate you then?
3. Powerful verses, but I don't see how they support what you said. Really they should make you reflect on what you're saying. What you said is a great example of the fire already kindled, of Christ being crucified afresh.
Very ironically you just cited Matthew 7:15-23 in another thread. Is rejoicing over suicide really the fruit born of someone that has been saved? You cannot convince me of such an absurdity.
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@SuperSnekFriend I'll add to this the parable of the Pharisee and the publican from Luke 18:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
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@toast @SuperSnekFriend I was going back forth whether to respond, but I decided to do so because your public misusing Scriptures and sharing a bad view of mercy and of sin that condemns the Lord Himself and any fighting of evil, especially in front of unbelievers on Varis, on Poast, and on the faggot side of the Fedi if they can even see our argument.
First, the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector teaches us about humility and justification. It's not relevant to the discussion because I don't see myself any less deserving of God's general wrath on sinners and see myself any more deserving of God's mercy than a sodomite, a tranny, or they're allies, without Christ.
Second, I do not rejoice in suicide in itself, and I will not tolerate any further insinuations that I do. I rejoice in the destruction of grievous evil. I shame trannies and trans-allies as a people of suicides. If a transsexual freaks tosses the proverbial coin then offs himself, too bad, so sad. He ignored every warning from God, unto absoluteizing his depravity in Gehenna. Oh well! But I will not cry a river. I will say, "He got what he deserved," then move on with my life.
Sodomites, trannies, and allies need to be constantly reminded that theirs is a religion of death. (Proverbs 8:36) That is what I am doing.
Third, there are those who should not be shown the mercy you think I should show. There are those you cannot show mercy; in fact, there are some where it is wrong to show mercy to (Deuteronomy 13:6, Leviticus 20:4-5). There are those you even cannot preach the Gospel too. And those people are more numerous now than the past decades. You seem to have this belief that commandments to be merciful applies to each and every person in each and every situation in the same exact way and degree each and every time without exception. The same goes with sin: that you believe every kind of sin and instance of sin to be equal in severity and degree and requires the same degree of response from believers every time. Again, Scriptures does not support this view. (Luke 12:47-48, 1 John 5:15)
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@toast @SuperSnekFriend Finally, as for the verses you posted and your rebuttal to mine:
1. I posted the first half of James 2:13 because it applies to everyone, not just believers. If a person kills another, he must not be shown mercy because he did not show mercy to the victim. If a person abominates the image of God, the male and female as one, by sodomizing or by debasing his own sex, then you do not show mercy to that person because that person did not show any mercy to God, except if they repent; and even then, repentant sodomites, like repentant murderers, must be put to death by the state. And this is besides what these faggots do to children, which Jesus Himself said the same thing to child corrupters I am telling these sodomites, kill themselves with with a millstone (Matthew 18:6).
Telling egregiously unrepentant and reprobate sodomites and everyone else who rejoice in abominable evil that they are better off killing themselves is not the "careless" words of Matthew 12:36, nor words of careless ruthlessness. For the record, I do not post "kill yourself" and leave it at that. I often tell them to repent and turn to Christ too.
2. Again, you make Christ command to "love your enemies" fall into the same exact issue as the third paragraph above, thus condemning the Lord who authors His Word, which is why I posted Psalm 139:21-23. It's not a mere justification, but also a reductio ad absurdum of your misusing Scriptures
Or will you condemn the very concept of eternal wrath as "unloving to enemies" because it contradicts that very Gospel commandment spoken from the Fountain of Righteousness Himself? I hope not.
3. You posted Galatians 5:19-21. The only parts I assumed you thought relevant to the discussion is when Paul lists "enmity, strife...fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions," and "divisions." Again the verses I posted are reductio ad absurdum to the abuses of Scriptures, otherwise, will you condemn the Lord for angrily wanting a fire upon ancient world and want to come divide? In context, Paul's main focus is how we act toward other believers and non-hostile unbelievers, though some "works of the flesh" are general, hence verse 26, which is addressed to the Galatians regarding how they treat one another.
You cannot simply post verses that you have inappropriately exegeted or defined and expect me to treat them as self-evident prooftexts for your position.
If it gives you anything positive, there is one sin I committed you did rightfully convicted me of because of your post; however that sin is not related to what I have told any sodomite or tranny here on the Fedi.
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