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1. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:08:20 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

   Solar panels are ecologically friendly

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:18:06 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @ren wood gasification is probably more green than solar in all honesty.
   • ren (ren@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:18:07 JST ren

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     @thatguyoverthere green energy incentives where they cut and burn trees :azumanging:
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   • Three-alist 🌲 (threalist@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:18:15 JST Three-alist 🌲

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     Out of sight, out of mind.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:20:16 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     @kkarhan not just Tesla. Ford, Nissan, Hyundai, Chevy, BMW, Kia, etc all have [lithium] battery operated cars, and they have probably all received money from governments to subsidize their "green initiatives".
   • Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:20:17 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     @thatguyoverthere Wait till you've seen the #Lithium #mines that destroy entire ecosystems...

     But I guess for all the #Tesla-driving #EcoHipsters that #EnvoirmentalDestruction is irrelevant...

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:22:52 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     @kkarhan I probably missed a few, but the point is everyone is moving in that direction under the premise that it's supposed to be better for the environment. What would be better is figuring out ways to convert existing motors to alternative fuel sources that can be sourced locally (current methods of distribution are quite wasteful). This would prevent the need to harvest all the other materials that go into making a new vehicle. If you want to subsidize something from a government level maybe subsidizing creative reuse of or improvements to existing technologies would be smarter than subsidizing consumerism.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:33:18 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     @kkarhan sadly most "recycling" just means throw it away or spend a ton of energy trying to get the useful bits back into a form that can be used.
     
     Instead of wasting time and energy recycling plastics, we could be coming up with small scale systems that can convert them back into fuels which could be distributed locally.
     
     https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2021/Q2/purdue-innovation-that-converts-plastic-waste-into-high-value-fuels-could-turn-recycling-into-a-more-profitable-venture.html
     
     I've seen videos of people doing this with very basic tools. I imagine if it got the right amount of attention something reproducible and clean that can be used to actually get rid of plastics instead of letting them decompose in nature where they tend to release chemicals into the soil and water.
   • Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:33:19 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     @thatguyoverthere exactly.

     Reuse, Repair, Recycle should come first...

     Also the "Energy Problem" is solveable, but it's not intended to be solved since that's not politically desireable.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:34:58 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     @kkarhan fostering tinkering hobbies instead of sitting everyone down in front of a screen would probably lead to more innovation in this area, and probably less waste overall since a lot of the time people like to try and cannibalize things they have to build new things.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:43:33 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     @kkarhan @frameworkcomputer I am thankful that laptops didn't go the way of cell phones with the level of planned obsolescence they have. My laptop is also 10 years old and other than wanting something with graphics (for non graphics things) I am quite happy. Faster than the macbook I have for work that's about 2 years old.
   • Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:43:34 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     @thatguyoverthere exactly.

     This is also why I can't bring myself to buy a new laptop:

     Because every single machine on the market is a #downgrade compared to my #X230t:

     Yes, even the @frameworkcomputer is!

     And sadly I don't have the financial headroom to get the #NUCbook off the ground...
     https://github.com/KBtechnologies/nucbook

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 20:45:17 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     @kkarhan @frameworkcomputer framework is mostly appealing because of the upgradability. When I do buy a new laptop I want to be able to have the same ability to upgrade as I do with an atx mobo
   • Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 22:47:39 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     @thatguyoverthere @frameworkcomputer well, they do have some upgradeability and whilst they did release specs that make it possible to design drop-in preplacements, it's not some stardardized form factor unlike the #UCFF [#NUC] which the SFF-SIG standardized openly...

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