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1. blockbot (blockbot@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 03:13:37 JST blockbot

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
   BLOCK ALERT! sue@liberdon.com blocked @ArdainianRight. Profile is available at: https://liberdon.com/users/sue
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 03:13:36 JST xianc78

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     @blockbot @ArdainianRight Can people stop blocking other people when they lose an argument? I'm a libertarian but I find this retarded.

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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 03:32:27 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @blockbot Fucking hilarious. :autism_hat:
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 03:35:25 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @blockbot "If you agree "a is a" but don't agree with Objectivism, your worldview is logically incoherent! REEE!" :soyjak_cope:
   • Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/ (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 03:35:48 JST Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     @xianc78 @blockbot @ArdainianRight For some people, losing an argument means having their religious beliefs ( even if they are political religious ones ) crushed, so some people just can't have that.
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:19:09 JST xianc78

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @sue @blockbot @ArdainianRight I thought you lost, and of course, you have every right to block people, I just don't think it's a good idea.

   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:19:10 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

     @xianc78 @blockbot @ArdainianRight What argument did I lose? I block who I want, when I want. If you don't like it you can fuck off.

   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:21:39 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

     @xianc78 @blockbot @ArdainianRight The guy replied to my article "Who cares? Lolberts are retarded and impotent. Just kill all the bad guys to protect the good guys." Doesn't sound like somebody interested in good faith argumentation, does it?

     How did I lose?

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:21:39 JST xianc78

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @sue @blockbot @ArdainianRight I thought you ran out of arguments or something.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:24:36 JST xianc78

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @sue @blockbot @ArdainianRight You can still lose an argument and be right, if you don't bring up the correct points.

   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:24:37 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

     @xianc78 @blockbot @ArdainianRight But it's kind of weird to say that I lost the argument when you were also arguing against him & he's making the illogical claim that self-ownership is compatible with statism

   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:24:38 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

     @xianc78 @blockbot @ArdainianRight Nah I actually unblocked him later on because I realized he was arguing in good faith lol

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:28:00 JST xianc78

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @sue @blockbot @ArdainianRight You were being dogpiled by people who agree with him. People usually give up regardless, if you are "winning" or not.

   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:28:02 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

     @xianc78 @blockbot @ArdainianRight That's true, but I don't see what I brought up that was false, or how anything he said logically refutes the idea of anarcho-capitalism

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:32:43 JST xianc78

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @sue @blockbot @ArdainianRight There's a mute option which other people can't see. Instance like DRC have blockbots that announce blocks which invites more people to dogpile on you. Muting prevents anyone else from seeing that you've muted them.

   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:32:44 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

     @xianc78 @blockbot @ArdainianRight Blocking is akin to physical removal

   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:32:45 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

     @xianc78 @blockbot @ArdainianRight They didn't make any coherent points to logically refute anarcho-capitalism.

     A bunch of degenerate weebs telling me that the NAP won't stop me from getting raped, or that self-ownership is compatible with statism, or that they want to take over the state so that they can rape people just seems like retarded edgelord talk.

     Anyway, I block people when I don't think they're worth interacting with.

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:46:50 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @xianc78 @blockbot Self-ownership isn't a moral principle, it's a practical fact. Of course, your practical ability to exercise self-ownership may be restricted by outside forces, but you are still the only one(for now at least) capable of making your body act of its own accord. When faced with the reality of external coercion, you can either submit or defy it. Hobbes says in most cases it's optimal to submit, as insofar as the sovereign permits you to live and reproduce, it is evolutionarily preferable to submit even at the cost of some of the fruits of your labor. Once the state goes beyond this to the point of threatening your existence, there is no longer any incentive to obey and so it becomes rational for the subjects to revolt against the sovereign as best they are able. Self-ownership as a biological reality doesn't imply freedom from external control as a social reality.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:53:56 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @sue @blockbot @xianc78 A slave is still naturally a self-owner, as he can only move and act of his own will, but his ability to move and act is hampered by his chains. He may struggle against them or accept the commands of his master. He may even use his body to argue against his enslavement, even if faced with the threat of the lash for doing so. In this way he is a self-owner in the sense implied by argumentation ethics, though he is not "free" by any reasonable standard.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:00:47 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @sue @blockbot @xianc78 Humans submitting for thousands of years in this way has led them to evolve into a domesticated species generally unfit for a return to the wild state of nature. PETA could technically be right about keeping a pet as morally unjustified slavery, but sufficiently domesticated animals being released into the wild is nevertheless less humane for creatures without the capacity to survive there.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:00:49 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

     @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78 Yes, self-ownership is a practical fact. You can decide to give in to a threat because you believe that it is in your self-interest to not risk not doing so. This doesn't justify aggression, and does not act as an argument in favor of the state. You're basically just saying that it sometimes benefits you to give into threats. Well, so what?

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:11:53 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @sue @blockbot @xianc78 The point is to deal with humanity as it is. If we hit a transhumanist point through eugenics or brain chips or any other means of boosting intelligence to make humans generally capable of authentic self-government, then shifting to an ancap state of affairs would be much more feasible and desirable. If you want to move humanity in that direction, by all means, go for it. I would love to see a successful modern stateless society that's anything other than a hub for gambling, drugs, and child prostitution, but I don't really see it happening.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:11:54 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78

     Why does that mean we should continue advocating moving in that direction?

     Logic dictates that we should try to convince as many people as possible that statism is objectively wrong.

     PETA are probably wrong about that since non-human animals lack the capacity for argumentation.

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:26:27 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @sue @blockbot @xianc78 The issue is the prevalence of violence in society. Monopolizing said violence can reduce overall violence by killing off competitors and incentivizing the reproduction of more peaceful and submissive elements of the population.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:26:28 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

     @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78 Well I don't see how your proposal is any better. It just exacerbates the issue of statism instead of trying to eradicate it.

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:41:06 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @sue @blockbot @xianc78 But the all-or-nothing nature of the monopoly means that most seeking it will be wiped out through competition. And the great mass of the population being selected for docility will generally make society less violent in the long run. The ruled are far more numerous than the rulers, and so even the ruling class, though more violent and predatory than the general population, themselves steadily drift in the same direction.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:41:07 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

     @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78 It also incentivizes the most morally reprehensible people to reach positions of statist power, and to enforce their will on everybody else.

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:42:01 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @Tadano @blockbot @xianc78 @sue I explained why PETA was wrong even if you grant their moral presuppositions.
   • Tadano ❄️🎅 (tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:42:02 JST Tadano ❄️🎅

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     @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78 @sue
     >PETA
     >correct
     
     Pick one
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:48:33 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Tadano ❄️🎅
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @Tadano @blockbot @xianc78 @sue I compared anarchists to PETA as a way to shit on anarchists, not endorse PETA.
   • Tadano ❄️🎅 (tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:48:34 JST Tadano ❄️🎅

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
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     @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78 @sue I refuse to even allow the thought of PETA possibly being technically right passing through someone's head, even in an anti-PETA post, without making them remember PETA delenda est :gigachad:
   • Tadano ❄️🎅 (tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:52:58 JST Tadano ❄️🎅

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     @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78 @sue I saw the words PETA and right in the same sentence and immediately posted without thinking. I regret nothing. :gigachad:
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 09:52:58 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Tadano ❄️🎅
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     @Tadano @blockbot @xianc78 @sue Entirely fair.
   • Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/ (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 11:31:34 JST Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
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     @sue @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78 Funny enough, you don't seem to even know what the mean of the word Statism is ( the political ideology that the government is all powerful, all knowing and all seeing, so the government can solve the individual problem of any of it's citizen with enough information and resources ). Lo-and-behold, Minarchism does exactly the opposite of Statism, is states that the government as to be stripped bare bones and kept restrained because government it is NEITHER all powerful, all knowing nor all seeing.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 11:31:35 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/

     @TheMadPirate @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78 Yeah because you and your retarded statist crew totally disproved Argumentation Ethics, didn't you? Cope and seethe.

   • Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/ (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 09:25:40 JST Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
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     @sue @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78 The key work in the definition of Statism is UNLIMITED use of power. A government that is limited and constrained in its use of power, is by definition, neither authoritarian nor statist.
     
     The problem you lolberts have with thatr, and the reason you lolberts see ANY form of government as "authoritarian" is because you are all a bunch of HEDONISTIC LIBERTINES who see any form of disciplinary institution that quench your libertine instincts as "authoritarian".
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 09:25:40 JST xianc78

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     @TheMadPirate @ArdainianRight @blockbot @sue
     >A government that is limited and constrained in its use of power

     The US government was supposed to be constrained but look at how that turned out.

   • Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/ (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 09:25:42 JST Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/

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     @sue @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78 No I didn't pull that definition out of my ass.
     I am just not using the definition Lolberts like you conveniently use to buy your way out of your own mob rule.
     For an Statist, "everything in the State, nothing outside the State", that's what justifies the Statist to initiate the use of of force against anyone who dares to defy such authoritarian position.
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     @TheMadPirate @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78

     i.e. your position

     The lack of self-awareness is hilarious

   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 09:25:43 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     @TheMadPirate @ArdainianRight @blockbot @xianc78

     Where did you pull that definition? Out of your ass?

     "In political science, statism is the doctrine that the political authority of the state is legitimate to some degree."

     Minarchists fit this definition.

     Anarchists don't.

     Case closed.

     You lose.

     Better luck next time.