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1. Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 11:41:02 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

   Minarchists pursue libertarian ends (protecting property rights) using authoritarian means (the state).

   This is a contradiction because they are violating property rights in the process.

   This makes them authoritarians, and NOT libertarians.

   https://sue.hashnode.dev/minarchists-are-not-libertarians

   #minarchy #minarchism #anarchy #anarchism #ethics #philosophy #libertarianism

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 11:57:21 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue Who cares? Lolberts are retarded and impotent. Just kill all the bad guys to protect the good guys.
   • Dragon Zero (william_the_dragonborn@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 13:28:13 JST Dragon Zero

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @ArdainianRight @sue
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 13:32:49 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Dragon Zero
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @William_The_Dragonborn @sue Sometimes the best solution really is the simplest.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 13:58:22 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Krypto
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @KryptoBlok @sue If you're anything other than a hardcore Hoppe fanboy your opinion doesn't even come close to mattering.
   • Krypto (kryptoblok@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 13:58:23 JST Krypto

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @ArdainianRight @sue Do you mean all libertarians, or just the fake milquetoast ones?
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 14:03:30 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Krypto
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @KryptoBlok @sue Honestly I'd probably call Hoppe more of a micronationalist than a libertarian so he's not saddled with the baggage of the term.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 19:00:11 JST xianc78

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @William_The_Dragonborn @ArdainianRight @sue No libertarian would ever support foreign aid. This is the worst strawman ever. Delete this shit right NOW!!!!!

   • Krypto (kryptoblok@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 22:06:09 JST Krypto

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @ArdainianRight @sue For now "christian anarchist" will do
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   • Krypto (kryptoblok@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 22:06:10 JST Krypto

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @ArdainianRight @sue I'd say I'm a libertarian (of some kind...), but I agree there are many problems in the movement - entryism, infighting, purity spiraling, hippies, etc. I wouldn't mind using a new term without all that baggage.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 22:06:34 JST xianc78

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @KryptoBlok @ArdainianRight @sue Infighting is a problem with all ideologies. I don't know why people think it's unique to libertarianism.

   • Remi (remi@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 23:22:02 JST Remi

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     • ❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @SuperSnekFriend @sue True capitalism has never been tried.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 23:22:02 JST xianc78

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     • Remi
     • ❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @Remi @sue @SuperSnekFriend Actually it has, several times. Some have even lasted longer than the US.

     http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/anarchism/faq.html#part17

   • ❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️ (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 23:22:03 JST ❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue >no true lolberg believes [x]
     Holy molly, you fags are just as bad as commies with this.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 01:30:55 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @KryptoBlok I literally own Democracy: The God That Failed in paperback.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 01:30:56 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 01:47:15 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @KryptoBlok He is, but his work is useful because it's not constrained by libertarian social autism. The libertarian analysis of the nature of the state is more or less accurate, the issue is the NAP is naive and ridiculous in an inherently violent and predatory world. Basically both Hoppe and Hobbes are right. The state is an inherently violent, tyrannical, selfish, and exploitative mechanism, but it also enables civilization by subjugating an inherently violent, tyrannical, selfish, and exploitative humanity. In culling competing predators while breeding taxpayers as domesticated cattle, the state gradually creates a more peaceful world through the use of violence and terror.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 01:47:16 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Krypto

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok How is he not a libertarian?

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 01:51:56 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @hachi @sue
   • hachi (hachi@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 01:51:57 JST hachi

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @ArdainianRight @sue You just want to genocide queer folks like me. I don't like libertarians, but at least they don't claim to want to exterminate me.
   • CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 01:54:16 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @ArdainianRight @sue @William_The_Dragonborn >don't lock bad people in boxes :brain0:
     >lock bad people in boxes :brain1:
     >lock bad people in the forever box :wojak_psycho:
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 02:05:06 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Krypto
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @KryptoBlok Owning your body doesn't mean shit when you can't function and survive at any meaningful scale without a broader society, which must inevitably be governed by force.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 02:05:07 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Krypto

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok That's great but you can't make any coherent argument for the state without falling into a performative contradiction. Since you cannot argue against the fact that you own your body, there's no logical basis for not being an anarchist.

     https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Argumentation_ethics

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 02:19:02 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @KryptoBlok Hobbes does implicitly acknowledge self-ownership by admitting the one exception to the absolute will of the sovereign is that every man has a right to resist his own destruction, as in such a case there's no longer an incentive or justification for obedience. It is for this reason that resistance and revolt against our genocidally anti-white globohomo regime is inherently justified. For a regime that enables obedient subjects to be fruitful and multiply, and so pass on their genes and fulfill the evolutionary win condition, obedience is justified and the risks of revolution are almost always suicidal folly, but when the sovereign dedicates itself to strangling the bloodlines of a part of its subjects, obedience is no longer required, for that state has thrown out the incentive for obedience, preservation from annihilation.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 02:53:13 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @KryptoBlok It isn't. I am fully acknowledging it and explaining how my position likewise assumes self-ownership, and just contextualizes it into the natural reality of the individual's existence in a harsh and unforgiving world.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 02:53:14 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Krypto

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok How is this an argument against Argumentation Ethics?

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 02:57:14 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Krypto
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @KryptoBlok Yeah, not even worth a real argument.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 02:57:15 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Krypto

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok Then your position is admittedly logically inconsistent and consequentialist in nature. I do not care for logically inconsistent arguments. If you believe in self-ownership, it's literally impossible to logically justify the existence of a state. And if you don't, it's still impossible!

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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 03:01:51 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Krypto
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @KryptoBlok My argument is plenty coherent, you're just too autistic to consider an argument outside of your framework. No worries, hopefully you'll grow out of it like me.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 03:01:52 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Krypto

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok Don't come at me with illogical shit then, retard

   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 03:09:17 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • xianc78
     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Krypto

     @xianc78 @KryptoBlok @ArdainianRight There's also nothing wrong with infighting. Argumentation is the most important tool we have in discovering truth. It is inevitable that we all hold some beliefs which are not true, and we should strive to correct them.

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   • Victor (victor@crucible.world)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 03:31:10 JST Victor

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok
     
     > if I just say "logic" enough times, I win the debate
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 03:50:22 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Krypto
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @KryptoBlok I mean that it's true argumentation logically implies self-ownership. Self-ownership does not logically imply anarchism. You're born owning yourself into a hostile world with lots of people who want to destroy you. It is entirely logical to just submit to a sovereign who can violently suppress these actors, even though said sovereign is also a threat to violently suppressing you, because your chances of surviving and reproducing(the evolutionary "win condition" of all life) is generally better under the stability of a single violent ruler than under the war of all against all. While the state is a mighty and uncertain threat, it is preferable to the certain threat of a new wolf around every corner, and it empirically is a far more peaceful and effective arrangement than the preceding state of nature. So generally you're better off shutting up and paying your taxes than worrying about every potential person that you meet being a violent predator. A Hobbesian framework does agree with the self-ownership implied by argumentation ethics, it just recommends using that self-ownership quite differently.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 03:50:23 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Krypto

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok How is it coherent when you even admitted that it doesn't disprove Argumentation Ethics? You're just rambling on about nonsense and not giving me any proof that we do not own our bodies. Hopefully I won't grow out of a logical, objectively true ideology like your cringy post-libertarian edgy ass did.

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 07:04:33 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Krypto
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @KryptoBlok Where are these private providers of defense? If they can't protect people from a state they're not getting the job done.
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 07:04:34 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Krypto

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok I don't understand why you can't apply the same logic to the private production of defence. Why would you want to submit yourself to some statist who has no incentive to keep you safe? And you can't think that people own their bodies but that the state is also legitimate. There's no such thing as a voluntary state by definition.

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 07:12:13 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Krypto
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @KryptoBlok Who's spouting nonsense when one side is discussing reality as it is, and the other is theorycrafting something that has never actually worked at any scale in human history?
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 07:12:14 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Krypto

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok Everyone who defends themselves and others is a private provider of defence. Sure, that may be the case, but I'm not interested in consequentialist nonsense.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 07:20:24 JST xianc78

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok @sue
     >never actually worked at any scale in human history?

     It has. We have:
     * Harappa (Bronze Age India)
     * Ancient Ireland
     * Icelandic Commonwealth
     * The American Old West

     Some of these lasted longer than the US.

     http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/anarchism/faq.html#part17

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 07:37:52 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @xianc78 @KryptoBlok @sue Bruh, you literally just quoted Walt Bismarck's "NAP" song.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 07:44:04 JST xianc78

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok @sue I didn't know about that song until I looked it up. I also never fully watched Aladdin and HOLY SHIT, DISNEY HAD CROSS DRESSERS EVEN BACK IN THE 90s!

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 07:46:14 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @xianc78 @KryptoBlok @sue Crossdressing as a joke was in Looney Tunes.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 07:50:57 JST xianc78

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok @sue The people behind that show were proto-furries. They had to sneak in their fetish somehow.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 07:56:00 JST xianc78

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok @sue I don't know why people have a problem with this. You don't have to be a part of it. Seasteading isn't just for libertarians either.

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 07:58:27 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @xianc78 @KryptoBlok @sue He's making fun of the idea as a LARP. I have no problem with seasteading, it's just not really a political solution.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:04:25 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @xianc78 @KryptoBlok Are there any consistent, logical arguments out there that don't just validate all of your political positions?
   • Sue Donimus :ancap: (sue@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:04:26 JST Sue Donimus :ancap:

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Krypto

     @xianc78 @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok Because they're lazy parasites with no concern for consistent, logical arguments so they turn to bullshit ideologies and try to act hard behind their computer screens.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 08:37:31 JST xianc78

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:

     @ArdainianRight @KryptoBlok @sue It would be a good way to stop arguing and actually see what political and economic systems actually work.

   • Krypto (kryptoblok@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 19:35:59 JST Krypto

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @xianc78 @ArdainianRight @xianc78 @sue ....are there any political solutions though?
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 19:35:59 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @KryptoBlok @xianc78 @sue https://detroitriotcity.com/notice/AVUIYti3DXHNZuUs2y
   • Krypto (kryptoblok@bae.st)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 11:22:58 JST Krypto

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @xianc78 @sue @xianc78 @ArdainianRight @sue Just watched the video for kicks. Nothing but strawmen.
     Nonaggression is just common sense - don't start stuff, put down stuff when needed. IMO you'd have to be a degenerate monster to oppose that (no better than those this bismarck guy claims to be against).
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   • Krypto (kryptoblok@bae.st)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 14:05:51 JST Krypto

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @xianc78 @ArdainianRight @xianc78 @sue >le boog
     Have fun getting turbo-nuked by the technocrats lol.
     j,hyilk87i5u6y5tr4erfdw.jpg
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 14:05:51 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @KryptoBlok @xianc78 @sue There are many details to be ironed out of course, but at least it's more realistic than trying to vote for someone to fix the problem.
   • Krypto (kryptoblok@bae.st)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 14:31:11 JST Krypto

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     • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @xianc78 @ArdainianRight @sue @xianc78 (Also, I apologize for the late reply. The instance went down and I was busy irl.)
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   • Krypto (kryptoblok@bae.st)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 14:31:12 JST Krypto

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     • Sue Donimus :ancap:
     @sue @xianc78 @ArdainianRight @xianc78 @sue The only way something like that could ever happen is if you started out with an agorist-style parallel society to support it. Otherwise, I'm going to watch the fireworks from my bunker.