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1. sim@shitposter.club's status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:17:09 JST sim
   "A fake death is one of the worst things a writer can create. The reason is simple. It makes the reader lose fear for your characters, knowing that at any time, you can bring them back to life. This often goes hand in hand with a lack of interest in the rest of your work..."
   
   Makes me wonder how to do a fake death right so that readers don't lose interest or fear.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:17:08 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @sim Oh yeah, a common criticism of battle shounen
   • Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:21:33 JST Dad

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     @coolboymew @sim it's even more common in American capeshit comics. it's hard to give a shit about Spider-Man or the Joker dying for the 9000th time when you are 100% certain they are coming back in a couple issues.
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   • Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:34:39 JST Dad

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     @sim @coolboymew Dragon Ball is probably the worst offender. the heroes get into lots of life-and-death fights, but it deflates the tension to know that they have easy access to a magic resurrection device with no drawbacks (except in GT).
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   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:34:40 JST sim

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     @coolboymew What happens with it there? I don't think I know many examples of that.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:35:38 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @noyoushutthefuckupdad @sim Also a lot of battle shounen have nobody ever dying usually, if it somehow happens, they'll be back, always
   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:35:56 JST Christi Junior

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     @noyoushutthefuckupdad @coolboymew @sim GT outright punishing the heroes for Dragon Ball spam was GT's one genuinely brilliant idea.
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   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:36:33 JST sim

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     @noyoushutthefuckupdad @coolboymew I think that is a good example too, I don't read comics but I do think it has gotten worse over time and blended into cinematic Marvel or even DC if I recall. If you are curious about what I was watching about it, a good video on this is here: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=hU3dbdN5IPs
     
     I like this guys commentary on films and shows now.
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   • Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:37:56 JST Dad

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     @sim @coolboymew that was a good vid. I just subscribed due to good content and having a good pun for a channel name.
     
     it's easy to shit all over Disney Star Wars, but they are still good examples of how not to write a story.
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   • Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:38:03 JST Dad

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     @sim @coolboymew Dragon Ball GT is a mess and not worth watching except for the finale, but like @ChristiJunior said, one of its few brilliant ideas was instituting a penalty for using the DBs.
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   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:38:04 JST sim

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     @noyoushutthefuckupdad @coolboymew I hadn't realised that. Would there be tension if it were less easy to come by? Having a drawback could be interesting, like having side effects over time that cause problems later.
   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:46:42 JST Christi Junior

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     @sim I mean, all my examples would be Spoilers, and from stories I'm a big advocate of people experiencing for themselves at that. I will say that one example involves a character being seemingly killed off early, then coming back much later and having become someone completely different, with a different personality, memories, loyalties and everything. Another involves one character dying in place of another due to body-switching shenanigans, the ability having been set up well in advance, but the two characters actually working together so that one could sacrifice herself for the other being the big twist. @coolboymew knows what I'm referring to.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:46:42 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @ChristiJunior @sim I have no idea lmao, if you tell me it will come back
   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:46:43 JST Christi Junior

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     @sim Fake deaths can work when they're cleverly written, used very sparingly, and are far outnumbered by permanent deaths. By contrast, something like Fairy Tail has like 20 fake deaths and 0 permanent ones for characters outside of flashbacks and parallel dimensions, so there you absolutely do end up just rolling your eyes whenever a character supposedly sacrifices him- or herself.
   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:46:43 JST sim

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     @ChristiJunior Do you have a good example of when it has been cleverly written? I do agree with you though, it sounds like Fairy Tail has made fake deaths the rule rather than the exception given how it isn't permanent when characters sacrifice themselves.
   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:54:10 JST sim

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     @ChristiJunior @coolboymew I do usually agree with the idea of being able to experience what happens for themselves, although I suppose there are stuff that I'm not going to end up watching. Those examples do sound like they don't happen as often so they can be compelling examples in that way, it is good that they have been set up or foreshadowed too. Or maybe I just don't watch the genre usually so it sounds more unique.
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   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:55:45 JST sim

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     @noyoushutthefuckupdad @coolboymew I definitely recommend Brandon Sanderson too, I did watch his lectures some time back now. But perhaps a refresher couldn't hurt some time. I just don't know if he goes into enough detail or specifics in what I'm doing.
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   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:55:46 JST sim

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     @noyoushutthefuckupdad @coolboymew Haha. Yeah, the guy is great and coming into his own when it comes to his content now so it is great to see and to see others recognise that. I need to find some good channels based on writing novels though.
     
     For sure. It's a good example for those of us that write stories, but more on how to not write a story. I do wish that I had better examples on what to do though.
   • Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 05:55:46 JST Dad

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     @sim @coolboymew Brandon Sanderson gives good lectures on writing science fiction and fantasy novels. I'd recommend them even to people who don't care about those genres.
     
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATNvOk5rIJA
   • Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 07:08:23 JST Dad

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     @sim @ChristiJunior @coolboymew Sanderson says that characters' limitations are more interesting than their powers. a problem that Superman can't punch his way out of is more interesting than his ability to punch hard.
   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 07:08:24 JST sim

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     @noyoushutthefuckupdad @ChristiJunior @coolboymew Yeah, I do think that was a great idea for it. You can have some fun by creating penalties.
   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 07:08:34 JST sim

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     @noyoushutthefuckupdad @ChristiJunior @coolboymew Now you mention it, I should probably focus more on the limitations that my characters have and putting them into uncomfortable situations where they are forced to grow from their experience. I wonder how this can relate to fake deaths?