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1. Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 06:25:22 JST Jeff Cliff

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   > It doesn't matter.
   
   the ability of the whole universe to continue without the injection of miracles matters a great deal, and people kill eachother over it pretty much every day
   
   > The omnipotence paradox is irrelevant, and you basing your assumption on that is weak.
   
   No it's not 'irrelevant'. It's directly relevant.
   
   > Give me something better.
   
   The reason people believe in a god at all is historically documented, pretty thoroughly by now, as the result of one of a few river valley civilizations ancestor-gods. That we should be discussing in terms of God rather than Allah, or rather than any of the hindu pantheon or any of the other gods we could be talking about speaks to the fact that only one of these tribes won a long, political struggle for dominance over the world and its use of language.
   
   But when you look back at what *they* believed it was that their god was one of a many different spirits, and the reasons why they believed would be considered ridiculous unless you're a total idiot. People didn't need 'perfect perfection' anselm definitions of god because they were ignorant and isolated from eachother who went their whole lives without encountering and understanding more than a few languages, without encountering and understanding more than a few cultures. It is simply an explanation that was in err, it was developed before we knew better and somehow sticks with people who have no good reason to keep it.
   • CatSoc :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 06:25:22 JST CatSoc :nv:

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     • mullvad
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     • Boomerman
     • kaia
     • JSDorn
     • EdBoatConnoisseur
     @jeffcliff @kaia @Boomerman @EdBoatConnoisseur @JSDorn @Shlomo @SuperSnekFriend >the ability of the whole universe to continue without the injection of miracles matters a great deal, and people kill eachother over it pretty much every day
     It is irrelevant to the question of the existence of God. We're not discussing worldly affairs.
     
     None of the rest of what you've said has anything to do with arguments for whether or not God exists lol. It's all just modern lensed analysis of ancient societies.
     
     There are some good philosophical arguments against the existence of God, and these are not those.