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1. 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:35:30 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   @realcaseyrollins

   Huh there are tons of historic examples of people who were of one sex identifying as another sex... we have whole stories written about it.. Joan de arc is among the most famous.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:35:29 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins did she go around calling herself John or something? A strong woman identifying as a woman doing things atypical of her gender is not the same thing as identifying as a male.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:47:01 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins ok. I still think that there is a stark difference between donning a disguise and pseudonym for a specific purpose (getting into the military) and actually believing that everyone **has** to treat you how you feel regardless of how you present (whether intentional or otherwise). If she had been found out to be using a disguise and fake name, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't have been a huge social uproar to change the policy of the military to accommodate her identity.
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:47:02 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     Actually yes, John was the name she used when she was presenting as a man.

     @realcaseyrollins

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:52:39 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins well then trying to draw a comparison to today where we have a lot more information and know more about motives and such is kind of a stretch. Just the fact that she's recorded as a female historically speaks volumes to the fact that at least society was not generally accepting of that kind of behavior at the time, even if it was allowed to slide for her. There have been eunichs throughout history too, but we don't generally consider them women who've had "bottom surgery"
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:52:40 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     How much of it was a disguise or pseudonym vs them actually identifying is not recorded. Their personal motivations wasnt really recorded as far as I know, in fact much of the details are lost to history.

     @realcaseyrollins

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