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1. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:25:07 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

   I still think the F-2 is the coolest of all the extended F-16 family. Very cool little project. Wish they’d let some of ours try it out sometime, I have a suspicion that it would the like a ‘right-sized’ Falcon, almost perfect

   • Dragon Zero (william_the_dragonborn@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:29:27 JST Dragon Zero

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot Everyone harps on the A10 when in reality the Tornado is faster and can strike quicker
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:29:27 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @William_The_Dragonborn different horses for different courses. I’m AM one of the few who wants to see the entire A-10 fleet divested. In my dreams they finish the re-wing program and immediately turn them over to government auction so everyone can buy them

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:31:09 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     Funny how the unanimous verdict of everyone who’s tried a lot of our fighters these days is that the F-16 is THE fighter pilot’s dream. WHen you want something for dogfighting, it’s hard to beat a small, compact, light weight thing like the F-16. The bigger twins have more power, more payload, and more sensor capability, but they can’t give you the same thrill, the same eager attitude to knifefighting with an enemy that comes so naturally to the Viper/Falcon

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:31:44 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     Hey maybe the ukes should start hitting up japan for free F16s, I’m sure they’d LOVE to get a piece of that charity action

   • Soyak (hwabag@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:35:18 JST Soyak

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot I’m not even sure if they still make them, aren’t they grounded?
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:35:18 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @HWABAG I think so, haven’t seen a return to service order but they usually don’t publicize them too much. I’m assuming pilot error anyway

   • synapsid (synapsid@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:37:37 JST synapsid

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot Fighter jets are cool as hell but it’s beyond gay and cringe that most air combat today is with BVR missiles which means dogfights come down to whoever has the better sensors/range/radar

     WWII was the peak of air to air combat

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:37:37 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @synapsid I suspect that it’s a lot like Battleship combat in WWII, where they like to pretend there was a lot of skillful, expert dogfighting taking place…but most kills came about when someone surprised the unaware

   • Tactical (tactical@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:42:10 JST Tactical

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     You: flying a NATO F-16 over Cascadian airspace unaware of my existence
     
     Me: Flying the MiG-21 at max afterburners screaming at the top of my lungs as I nail you with the perfect railgun shot from +20km away
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:43:54 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Tactical @synapsid Pretty much. Just look at any force on force exercise - your cleanest kills are always when you schwack the guy sitting cozy behind his cover, unaware you’ve flanked him & his buddies. You see it in ace records, where it’ll talk about his dogfighting prowess until you realize he was stationed near a bunch of ground attack units and perfectly positioned to slaughter tankbusters as they came in to land.

     It’s hard having a battle of skill, too many variables. Much easier to cheat and ambush them

   • Tactical (tactical@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:44:55 JST Tactical

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     Remind me to bother you some time for my book and getting your input since your an aviation junkie
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 09:44:55 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Tactical I don’t know if I’m much of an expert, a lot of my takes are kinda out-there according to the older fellas who’ve been in it for a long time. But I DO have some retired test pilots I talk to sometimes, which is always enlightening. Been trying to improve my knowledge base

   • Badmann :unverified: (badmann@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 10:17:32 JST Badmann :unverified:

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     @synapsid @WashedOutGundamPilot Most misunderstand BVR as 'I win'. It's not. Between two aircraft of similar generations, it's just as much of a mind game between two forces, just much less personal.
     
     First, BVR is done with radar. The act of finding and skewing for targets broadcasts to everyone that you are 'hot'. Even just having the radar on to detect things is enough to tell everyone you have a radar and are also within BVR range. This puts everyone on alert. Opposing forces will be pushing out chaff as a counter measure at this point at a regular interval.
     
     The pilot of a targeted aircraft is actually listening to what the "hottest" radar is currently doing (it's radio, after all), and can make a guess if a craft did launch a (radar guided) missile at him. The craft will be making evasive maneuvers, to do his best to avoid a hit, and follow up to either fight or flee.
     
     Meanwhile distances could be closing or widening. A craft who fired an active radar munition could be fleeing, or if they fired a passive radar munition, still broadcasting against it's target.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 10:18:41 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Badmann @synapsid Yeah, people just don’t like it as much because it’s less dramatic. I’d bet an IRL war would have one of those high-minded, tactical engagements for every 3 dudes shot down thinking they’re flying home safe after a long day

   • Leyonhjelm (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 10:58:35 JST Leyonhjelm

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     @ChristiJunior

     Meanwhile they lost more Me 163 in refuelling incidents than any other cause I’m aware of

     @WashedOutGundamPilot @synapsid

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   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 10:58:36 JST Christi Junior

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @synapsid I like how the Messerschmitt Me 262 was so overpowered and ahead of its time that most kills against it were when it was landing.